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az2008
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Alarmist...

lcompton wrote:
The reason that comes to mind is that the magicJack application has a mini HTML renderer within it to display the softphone advertisements.


This was before magicjack.exe started. Before it made a network connection. And there were other odd things it was accessing. It was actually a *ton* of stuff.

Just launch MJ using the shortcut I've provided twice, and see the difference in execution speed. The amount of time it took magicjackloader.exe to come up was due to all the activity it was performing.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Alarmist...

az2008 wrote:
lcompton wrote:
The reason that comes to mind is that the magicJack application has a mini HTML renderer within it to display the softphone advertisements.


This was before magicjack.exe started. Before it made a network connection. And there were other odd things it was accessing. It was actually a *ton* of stuff.


Once again, we are short on facts and plentiful on vague statements about what magicJack accesses.

You seem to have a lot of time on your hands (judging by the volume of forum postings that you generate.) Have you ever considered performing a thorough and proper analysis of magicJack's run-time behavior and sharing the details of your results? Or, do you think that would be too much to handle?

az2008 wrote:
Just launch MJ using the shortcut I've provided twice, and see the difference in execution speed. The amount of time it took magicjackloader.exe to come up was due to all the activity it was performing.


Okay. So, you've learned that you can modify an execution string and seemingly reduce some of the launch activity of magicJack. What specific activities have you circumvented? What specific tasks was magicJack performing that are no longer being performed?

Thank you.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Alarmist...

lcompton wrote:
Okay. So, you've learned that you can modify an execution string and seemingly reduce some of the launch activity of magicJack. What specific activities have you circumvented? What specific tasks was magicJack performing that are no longer being performed?


Run "procmon" against magicjackloader.exe and see for yourself.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Alarmist...

Mark:

az2008 wrote:
lcompton wrote:
Okay. So, you've learned that you can modify an execution string and seemingly reduce some of the launch activity of magicJack. What specific activities have you circumvented? What specific tasks was magicJack performing that are no longer being performed?


Run "procmon" against magicjackloader.exe and see for yourself.


Well, okay. I'll add it to the list of things that Mark has instructed me to complete.

I was rather hoping that you would share your results since you had already gone through the exercise and clearly demonstrate a superior knowledge of magicJack's inner workings to that of my own. I understand though. You're obviously a very busy man and I apologize for expecting you to help me increase my understanding by sharing your wisdom.

Thank you.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Alarmist...

lcompton wrote:
Well, okay. I'll add it to the list of things that Mark has instructed me to complete.


The procmon capture was thousands of lines long. Even if I could post the entire thing, I wouldn't because it could contain personal information.

If I tried to summarize it for you, I don't think it would be good enough for you in your quest for scientific knowledge (over something nobody should be passion about, since "it's just business" Wink ).

So, I would advise *everyone* to download the free "procmon" tool (google for it). Create a filter to include only "magicjackloader.exe." Then start MagicJack the normal way.

If you're not comfortable with what it does, create the shortcut to magicjack.exe as provided earlier in this threat.

But, it could also be informative to use procmon with a filter for magicjack.exe too. That would give you some idea why some people refer to MJ's sloppy programming (or, perhaps other reasons to program this way.).

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:08 am    Post subject:

neo1 wrote:
All of my phones were wired so I had to spend about $50 for a wireless phone just to get it to work.

neo1, I've decided you are a troll, so I won't answer if you respond to this post.

Your statement makes no sense. If you have wired phones, why in the world would you buy a wireless to make MJ work? It works best with wired phones.

Please stop saying "MJ is dangerous, I won't use it." If you aren't going t use it, go away. If you are using it, then post something worthwhile.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:24 am    Post subject:

davrow wrote:
Please stop saying "MJ is dangerous, I won't use it." If you aren't going t use it, go away. If you are using it, then post something worthwhile.


I appreciated Neo's contribution. S/he's not the only one to voice concerns about MJ's monitoring of phone activity, and perhaps more. The lack of an uninstall feature. The sloppy (or intentionally obfuscated) programming.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:32 am    Post subject:

After a few days after the update, I still dont have the 30 min cut off, Spoke lastnight for over 2 hours with no problems.

I really think its for those users who are "excessive" calls.

Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Wife Cut Off after 60 Minutes Yesterday

My wife was cut off yesterday after 60 minutes. When she tried to call back the ringer sounded line an old timy phone echoing with no one answering.

We use our phone, but no more or less than the average family.

Does anyone have anything from the Magic Jack sign up process that states their service can be manipulated like this?

Did we sign up for unlimited calling but not unlimited calls?

I find this LUCKY upgrade coming in the midst of Americas Biggest Holidays (Christmas and New Year) not by coincident but design.

I can no longer recommend Magic Jack under these type trade practices.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Wife Cut Off after 60 Minutes Yesterday

Kokkos wrote:
Does anyone have anything from the Magic Jack sign up process that states their service can be manipulated like this?

Did we sign up for unlimited calling but not unlimited calls?

I find this LUCKY upgrade coming in the midst of Americas Biggest Holidays (Christmas and New Year) not by coincident but design.


The Terms of Service[1] say MJ can terminate users for "excessive use." And, defining "excessive use" is solely within their power. I suppose this means they can take remedial steps to enforce usage limits (before reaching the point of terminating anyone).

It also says MJ can change the ToS at any time. Even end service with no refund.

Personally, I don't have a problem with an excessive use policy, or limiting calls during peak periods (like holidays). I remember years ago it was iffy to make a long distance call on Mother's Day, etc.

The problem I have is the way Dan implements this stuff. He doesn't handle it professionally.

- "Excessive use" isn't defined.
- Those reaching the limit weren't warned.
- Those terminated weren't even notified (except cryptically told to call a phone number which was rarely answered).
- The support group wasn't told this was happening until 2-3 days later, after they'd received numerous questions about it.

The recent 30- and 60- minute thing is similar. It would be much better to:

- Announce it via a softphone ad. Explain the reason.
- Give a two-beep signal two minutes before a call is terminated. One beep one minute before.
- Explain it to tech support so they don't spend 2-3 days wasting customers' time, providing misinformation because *they've* been misinformed.

[1] http://www.magicjack.com/tos/

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Wife Cut Off after 60 Minutes Yesterday

Good morning, Kokkos.

Kokkos wrote:
We use our phone, but no more or less than the average family.


Same here. My usage has never exceeded a few hundred minutes/month in any given month that I've had magicJack. That's inbound and outbound minutes combined.

Kokkos wrote:
Does anyone have anything from the Magic Jack sign up process that states their service can be manipulated like this?


In fairness to the magicJack folks, their terms-of-service do state that they can pretty much do whatever they want as far as their telephony service is concerned. So, that would include the call caps. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.

Kokkos wrote:
I can no longer recommend Magic Jack under these type trade practices.


If the call caps remain, I'd have to say that I will no longer be a magicJack fan. But, I'm not inclined to go on a magicJack-haters rampage. I'll write a closing review describing what happened and why I had to abandon magicJack. There appear to many who can live with the call caps. Unfortunately, I can't.

I am concerned about the new people considering magicJack. It would be important for me to ensure that these folks have all of the facts. The trouble is that there appear to be a number of people unaffected by the call caps. I just don't get it.

I'm not a lawyer, but it would seem to me that magicJack would be required to disclose the call caps. They certainly have a fiduciary obligation to do so, but I'm not sure whether a legal obligation exists.

Hence, I'm in a wait-and-see mode.

Thank you.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 3:11 pm    Post subject:

Yeah, I've pretty much lost my enthusiasm for MJ lately. It was fun in the beginning, especially when the Caller ID spoofing worked. Even the crummy or inconsistent call quality didn't really bother me since I've always maintained low expectations. However, I occasionally make calls longer than 30 minutes or even an hour and find the change in rules a deal breaker.
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I am concerned about the new people considering magicJack.

It would have been even more disconcerting if I hadn't been on this forum to know about the changes.

Whether I renew when my license expires remains to be seen but this last move doesn't inspire any confidence.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject:

davrow wrote:
neo1 wrote:
All of my phones were wired so I had to spend about $50 for a wireless phone just to get it to work.

neo1, I've decided you are a troll, so I won't answer if you respond to this post.

Your statement makes no sense. If you have wired phones, why in the world would you buy a wireless to make MJ work? It works best with wired phones.

Please stop saying "MJ is dangerous, I won't use it." If you aren't going t use it, go away. If you are using it, then post something worthwhile.


I'm not sure what a troll is but I do not think I am one. I am a new user with concerns. Calling someone a troll sounds like an attack to discredit someone. Please stop it.

The reason MJ would not exist with my existing phones is that they are Trimline phones powered by the phone company. There is no external power. The phones draw too much power for MJ to ring the phone, for example.

I do not believe I ever wrote here: "MJ is dangerous, I won't use it." Please do not mis-quote me. I did say something in regards to being very concerned with the spyware issue and I will infrequently use it. I would like to see this put to rest one way or another. If it is, and they provide an uninstall program, I would consider it an excellent product from what I have see so far.

Please be nicer to others, especially new users.

Thanks
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:35 pm    Post subject:

neo1 wrote:
The phones draw too much power for MJ to ring the phone, for example.


If you're not already using a powered USB hub (or, even if you are) you might try a good hub with a large power supply. Even some powered hubs have weak AC adapters and don't fix the problem that seems to be common with computer USB ports (skimping on power?).

This hub has a large power supply and has been recommended by MJ users. It appears to be sold by an MJ user.

http://www.windmilltrading.com/USBProds/4_Port_AC_Powered_USB_Hub_2200mA_UH-214A.htm

It's not too expensive. But, you could probably ask him/her if the recent softphone upgrade (which seems to cause the USB device to consume more power, causing more phones to not work) still remedies the power problem.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject:

az2008 wrote:
neo1 wrote:
The posts brought up another issue. Is there no way to completely remove the MJ software from my computer now?


No. There are some instructions to (http://www.uninstallmagicjack.com) explaining how to remove registry entries, delete disk directories. I believe the first set come from MJ chat support. I've seen them posted before and it was said that's what MJ support told someone to do. But, someone tried it last night and almost broke his computer.

There is a guy named "RockyBB" on the www.dslreports.com forum (for Magicjack). He used to go on a tear about the absence of an uninstall program, and how it meant MJ intends to perform malicious activities after it builds a large enough user base. ...

Mark


Thanks Mark!

I do not think I have ever bought software that does not include an uninstall program. I find this hard to believe. I will go to the other forum and see what they say. I would not want to follow a process that would crash my computer, however.

Is the company going to release an update with an uninstall program?

Just a new MJ user.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject:

neo1 wrote:
davrow wrote:
neo1 wrote:
All of my phones were wired so I had to spend about $50 for a wireless phone just to get it to work.

neo1, I've decided you are a troll, so I won't answer if you respond to this post.

Your statement makes no sense. If you have wired phones, why in the world would you buy a wireless to make MJ work? It works best with wired phones.

Please stop saying "MJ is dangerous, I won't use it." If you aren't going t use it, go away. If you are using it, then post something worthwhile.


I'm not sure what a troll is but I do not think I am one. I am a new user with concerns. Calling someone a troll sounds like an attack to discredit someone. Please stop it.

The reason MJ would not exist with my existing phones is that they are Trim-line phones powered by the phone company. There is no external power. The phones draw too much power for MJ to ring the phone, for example.

I do not believe I ever wrote here: "MJ is dangerous, I won't use it." Please do not mis-quote me. I did say something in regards to being very concerned with the spyware issue and I will infrequently use it. I would like to see this put to rest one way or another. If it is, and they provide an uninstall program, I would consider it an excellent product from what I have see so far.

Please be nicer to others, especially new users.

Thanks


neo1,

Want to know what a Troll is look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

And this is part of your problem with getting into trouble with folks here, don't wine and cry about things you know nothing about and if you don't know look them up - "This is the World Wide WEB". Asking what a troll is, is like asking one of us what time it is. Take a little effort on your part to turn around and look at the clock on the wall, why should we do that for you.

Explain what you mean by a "Trim Line" phone. "Trim Line" is an AT&T brand name for a type of phone also commonly called a "Princes Phone". If you are in fact using an AT&T "Trim Line" you must be well over 60 years old to even have one of those beast and the phone must be of the same vintage. Those are extremely old phone and the fact that they don't work with MJ or anything else these days should be no big surprise.

Go to Wall-Mart, Big Lots or Best Buy and buy a a modern all electronic phone."Slim Line", "Princes" or whatever they want to call the modern equivalent of an AT&T "Trim Line". You know something common to the 21st century. An AT&T "Trim Line" phone is good for collectors of old phones - period.

As far as phones powered by the phone line, that is the normal method for a "Phone" to operate. Go anywhere and buy a normal phone and you will discover that all "just phones" have no power plug in.

If you buy a phone that is wireless, has answering machines, bell, buttons lights and whistle it will have to be plugged into a power source to run all the "Features" not particularly the phone.

One reason for calling you a Troll (I hold my opinion on that for the moment) is anyone that is truly complaining about MJ not be able to run an AT&T "Trim Line" is either not very aware of the world around them or thinks the rest of the know Universe is stupid.

In a nut shell a true "Trim Line" phone uses a lot of power just to run the touch tone pad and as far as not ringing - no big surprise, it has a one pound vibrating solenoid with a bell clapper. Now be honest does that sound like a phone that would work correctly int the 21st century?

PS - My mother has an old, old phone like yours and at least once a month she asks me to make it work for her. - But she is 84 years old and doesn't know any better.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject:

Hi Mark

I already bought a new wireless phone and MJ works fine with it so this is no longer an issue. I have an ASUS motherboard with 4 USB ports on the back panel. I am not using a hub. I looked in Device Manager and I have only two USB devices active when I plug in MJ. One is my keyboard which draws 125 ma. MJ draws 250 ma which I think is the USB maximum.

I suspect the Trimline phones, or any non-powered phones, draw too much power for the ringer and lights to work with a USB port.

Thanks again! Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject:

neo1 wrote:
I suspect the Trimline phones, or any non-powered phones, draw too much power for the ringer and lights to work with a USB port.


Different people seem to have different experiences. This person said their wireless phone stopped working after the latest upgrade. But, a $10 AT&T corded phone works.

http://www.phoneservicesupport.com/post27572.html#27572

FWIW: The only $10 AT&T phone I'm aware of is the Trimline. Apologies to Holman. Confused

http://www [dot] amazon [dot] com/210-Trimline-Corded-Phone-White/dp/B000050FZP

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject:

HolmanGT wrote:
neo1,

Want to know what a Troll is look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

And this is part of your problem with getting into trouble with folks here, don't wine and cry about things you know nothing about and if you don't know look them up - "This is the World Wide WEB". Asking what a troll is, is like asking one of us what time it is. Take a little effort on your part to turn around and look at the clock on the wall, why should we do that for you.

Explain what you mean by a "Trim Line" phone. "Trim Line" is an AT&T brand name for a type of phone also commonly called a "Princes Phone". If you are in fact using an AT&T "Trim Line" you must be well over 60 years old to even have one of those beast and the phone must be of the same vintage. Those are extremely old phone and the fact that they don't work with MJ or anything else these days should be no big surprise.



I have never been called a troll until now. I did not ask what a troll is. I did, however, go to your link and I am not a troll. Please accept on good faith that I am simply a new MJ owner/user with a few questions and concerns.

I don't think I have been wining and crying here. I have been asking a few questions and hoping to get some help from those with more experience with MJ.

Yes, my phones are ATT Trimline phones. I like them. They are very clear and still work during a power outage. There are other aspects I like about them. I ordered my most recent one at Amazon a couple of months ago. They are still popular for those with wired phone service. When I put "corded phone" into Amazon's search, it is the #1 phone listed.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:35 pm    Post subject:

az2008 wrote:
neo1 wrote:
I suspect the Trimline phones, or any non-powered phones, draw too much power for the ringer and lights to work with a USB port.


Different people seem to have different experiences. This person said their wireless phone stopped working after the latest upgrade. But, a $10 AT&T corded phone works.

http://www.phoneservicesupport.com/post27572.html#27572

FWIW: The only $10 AT&T phone I'm aware of is the Trimline. Apologies to Holman. Confused

http://www [dot] amazon [dot] com/210-Trimline-Corded-Phone-White/dp/B000050FZP

Mark


AZ,

No problem, actually I was telling him to go get one of those. What I made and assumption about (probably wrong) was he had one of the OLD Original AT&T "Trim-Lines". Anyway you know what I am talking about the old phone that had the big solenoid bell ringer and the 2 X 3 X 1 inch touch tone block. Those things used more power than my bathroom heater. Smile I just took a look at the phone I use for testing and it is an AT&T, I am going to use the term Princess phone but 21st century model. $3 dollars at Big-Lots. MJ will power a half dozen of those things and it rings just fine. But if the neo1 has the older type that I referred to, you couldn't power one of those with a lightning bolt.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:44 pm    Post subject:

HolmanGT wrote:
But if the neo1 has the older type that I referred to, you couldn't power one of those with a lightning bolt.


How do you identify the older and newer?

I have a Trimline I bought in early 1987. It looks exactly like the phone in the Amazon link. In fact, I bought a new Trimline at Staples a few months ago because people told me it was hard to hear me on my old landline. The new phone made no difference, so I returned it. But, it was exactly like the 20-year-old phone. Same model number. Same ringer. Same touch-tone pad. Holding the two side by side, they looked identical. Both were Trimlines.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject:

HolmanGT wrote:
AZ,

No problem, actually I was telling him to go get one of those. What I made and assumption about (probably wrong) was he had one of the OLD Original AT&T "Trim-Lines". Anyway you know what I am talking about the old phone that had the big solenoid bell ringer and the 2 X 3 X 1 inch touch tone block. Those things used more power than my bathroom heater. Smile I just took a look at the phone I use for testing and it is an AT&T, I am going to use the term Princess phone but 21st century model. $3 dollars at Big-Lots. MJ will power a half dozen of those things and it rings just fine. But if the neo1 has the older type that I referred to, you couldn't power one of those with a lightning bolt.


Hi George

MJ would not power the ringer even on my new ATT Trimline phone. It seems that the power from USB ports is marginal and is an issue for some depending on their motherboard, hubs, and phone. It is no longer an issue for me since buying the new powered wireless phone.

It seems like my posts may be too negative for some. I think MJ is a great idea and a great product for a great price. My only two concerns are spyware and no uninstall program and I see others are concerned about these as well. Hopefully they will be resolved by the company soon.

All the best Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject:

neo1 wrote:
HolmanGT wrote:
AZ,

No problem, actually I was telling him to go get one of those. What I made and assumption about (probably wrong) was he had one of the OLD Original AT&T "Trim-Lines". Anyway you know what I am talking about the old phone that had the big solenoid bell ringer and the 2 X 3 X 1 inch touch tone block. Those things used more power than my bathroom heater. Smile I just took a look at the phone I use for testing and it is an AT&T, I am going to use the term Princess phone but 21st century model. $3 dollars at Big-Lots. MJ will power a half dozen of those things and it rings just fine. But if the neo1 has the older type that I referred to, you couldn't power one of those with a lightning bolt.


Hi George

MJ would not power the ringer even on my new ATT Trimline phone. It seems that the power from USB ports is marginal and is an issue for some depending on their motherboard, hubs, and phone. It is no longer an issue for me since buying the new powered wireless phone.

It seems like my posts may be too negative for some. I think MJ is a great idea and a great product for a great price. My only two concerns are spyware and no uninstall program and I see others are concerned about these as well. Hopefully they will be resolved by the company soon.

All the best Smile


I am going to tell you if you just come on here worrying about SpyWare and such with no proof that there is any such activity going on you are just going to catch a lot of flack. You don't think the rest of of worry about those things also?

Hell half of us probably use RoboForm to handle all our passwords, bank accounts and credit cards. That piece of software is made in China, and your worried about MJ. Rolling Eyes If you are really concerned about MJ isolate it off on another machine and don't let it have access to your personal LAN. Which by the way is exactly what I do. So if someone hacks into my MJ machine that is the end of the road for them and their is no personal information on that machine. If they trash my MJ machine it takes me about five minutes to reflash it.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject:

HolmanGT wrote:
Which by the way is exactly what I do.


That kind of validate's Neo's concerns. Apparently you have concerns specific to MJ, otherwise you wouldn't isolate it like that. Your concerns may be its vulnerability to hacking. But, you have no proof of that. Smile

I think you two have something in common in that regard. Just different concerns.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject:

az2008 wrote:
HolmanGT wrote:
Which by the way is exactly what I do.


That kind of validate's Neo's concerns. Apparently you have concerns specific to MJ, otherwise you wouldn't isolate it like that. Your concerns may be its vulnerability to hacking. But, you have no proof of that. Smile

I think you two have something in common in that regard. Just different concerns.

Mark


Mark,

What is with you the last few days? You are attacking everyone, you have even managed to piss-off "lcompton" and she is about as easy going and intellectual as anyone on here. I also believe she is a professional programmer, who obviously has a tremendous amount of computer savvy.

I am also have a BSEE in Electrical Engineering and I am also a professional programmer. For you to suggest that my concerns, attitudes and personal computer safety have anything to do with what neo1 is winning about is totally presumptuous on your part, not to mention offensive.

No proof of hacking is not a justification for using not using "Safe Internet Practices".

Besides you could not possible know whether I have proof of hacking on my MJ machine or not and I do have proof.

My MJ machine has been hacked. I personally watched the intruder browse around my machine just to see what that person was up to before terminating the assault. Proof enough? I think so! And it still has nothing to do with the Company MagicJack or their software. The intruder got in thru another door that I will not expose here.

I think you should slow down on all this mind reading and assumptions you make about people with out knowing what the hell you are talking about.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:51 pm    Post subject:

az2008 wrote:
HolmanGT wrote:
But if the neo1 has the older type that I referred to, you couldn't power one of those with a lightning bolt.


How do you identify the older and newer?

I have a Trimline I bought in early 1987. It looks exactly like the phone in the Amazon link. In fact, I bought a new Trimline at Staples a few months ago because people told me it was hard to hear me on my old landline. The new phone made no difference, so I returned it. But, it was exactly like the 20-year-old phone. Same model number. Same ringer. Same touch-tone pad. Holding the two side by side, they looked identical. Both were Trimlines.

Mark


Mark,

There are two ways to tell the difference. One is a not very reliable way but the old trim lines weight was at least 2.5 lb. The second way and most reliable way is to open it up. If it doesn't have a bell ringer coil and has any kind of circuit boards (Xistors, resistors and capacitors) it is the new style and will work with MJ. If it has a Bell Ringer Coil and no circuit boards it is the old style and may not even work very well with modern land lines (albeit it should unless your Telco has cut corners).
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:00 pm    Post subject:

HolmanGT wrote:
My MJ machine has been hacked. I personally watched the intruder browse around my machine just to see what that person was up to before terminating the assault. Proof enough? I think so! And it still has nothing to do with the Company MagicJack or their software. The intruder got in thru another door that I will not expose here.


Hmm. Your contradicting yourself. You said you put MJ on a seperate machine because you were concerned MJ could be hacked. That's the same kind of concern Neo expressed.

I pointed out you had no proof that MJ could be hacked (or posed a threat residing on your regular machine). But, you objected that it had been hacked -- but then said it wasn't anything related to MJ (meaning, you still don't have any proof that MJ could be hacked).

Am I misunderstanding something?

Mark
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:13 pm    Post subject:

az2008 wrote:
HolmanGT wrote:
My MJ machine has been hacked. I personally watched the intruder browse around my machine just to see what that person was up to before terminating the assault. Proof enough? I think so! And it still has nothing to do with the Company MagicJack or their software. The intruder got in thru another door that I will not expose here.


Hmm. Your contradicting yourself. You said you put MJ on a seperate machine because you were concerned MJ could be hacked. That's the same kind of concern Neo expressed.

I pointed out you had no proof that MJ could be hacked (or posed a threat residing on your regular machine). But, you objected that it had been hacked -- but then said it wasn't anything related to MJ (meaning, you still don't have any proof that MJ could be hacked).

Am I misunderstanding something?

Mark


Mark,

I have not heard such double talk in a long time. If you want to pursue this leave me out.

I am thru with any discussions with you and you are now on my Troll list.

Have a great day Mr. Mark.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject:

HolmanGT wrote:

I have not heard such double talk in a long time. If you want to pursue this leave me out.

I am thru with any discussions with you and you are now on my Troll list.


Sorry. I was just getting at how you chastized Neo for having unfounded concerns about MJ having potential spyware capabilities. And then you said you had concerns about MJ being hacked, so you put it on its own box.

To me, that sounded like the same kind of unfounded concerns you gave Neo a hard time about. When I mentioned that, you said it wasn't unfounded because your MJ box had been compromised. But, that the compromise had nothing to do with MJ. Which means, the compromise didn't give foundation to your concerns.

Anyway, I'm sorry you see me as trolling. I was just trying to point out that Neo's concerns seemed to be as legitimate as yours.

I'm also sorry you see me as "attacking" you. I don't think anything I've said has been harsh like your response to Neo.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject:

az2008 wrote:
HolmanGT wrote:

I have not heard such double talk in a long time. If you want to pursue this leave me out.

I am thru with any discussions with you and you are now on my Troll list.


Sorry. I was just getting at how you chastized Neo for having unfounded concerns about MJ having potential spyware capabilities. And then you said you had concerns about MJ being hacked, so you put it on its own box.

To me, that sounded like the same kind of unfounded concerns you gave Neo a hard time about. When I mentioned that, you said it wasn't unfounded because your MJ box had been compromised. But, that the compromise had nothing to do with MJ. Which means, the compromise didn't have anything to do with giving foundation to your concerns.

Anyway, I'm sorry you see me as trolling. I was just trying to point out that Neo's concerns seemed to be as legitimate as yours.

I'm also sorry you see me as "attacking" you. I don't think anything I've said has been harsh like your response to Neo.

Mark


Mark,

I don't know how the heck this all got started and I am not even going to go look at what I said to Neo1 - don't eve care.

I also said that I would not respond to you but here I am. God help me.

"so you put it on its own box."

I did not put MJ on its own box for any security reasons. I have always run MJ on a separate box. It is called a thing client. And that was done to improve the reliability of MagicJack's performance, which it does very well. It just so happens that if you are concerned about MJ and security it lends it self to even greater security measures than sharing your main computer with it.

Please I don't have time to go back and re-read all of the stuff that led up to this but the security problems (to the best of my recollection) were around MJ itself being SpyWare and overloading and taxing your machines resources. All of which is pure nonsense.

Someone maybe even you, I don't remember, made a statement about watching all the activity that MJ produces on a machine. I have tools that watch that also, and I don't see any evidence of that whatsoever.

In fact I rate MJ as a light weight when it comes to computer resources - I am open to being proven wrong.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject:

HolmanGT wrote:
I did not put MJ on its own box for any security reasons.


See:

Quote:
"If you are really concerned about MJ isolate it off on another machine and don't let it have access to your personal LAN. Which by the way is exactly what I do. So if someone hacks into my MJ machine that is the end of the road for them and their is no personal information on that machine." http://www.phoneservicesupport.com/post27621.html#27621


I read that as a concern that they could hack into your MJ machine because of MJ. Otherwise, there would be no reason to isolate it(?).

I.e., how could someone hack into the MJ-specific machine more easily than your regular desktop running MJ?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:56 pm    Post subject:

az2008 wrote:
HolmanGT wrote:
I did not put MJ on its own box for any security reasons.


See:

Quote:
"If you are really concerned about MJ isolate it off on another machine and don't let it have access to your personal LAN. Which by the way is exactly what I do. So if someone hacks into my MJ machine that is the end of the road for them and their is no personal information on that machine." http://www.phoneservicesupport.com/post27621.html#27621


I read that as a concern that they could hack into your MJ machine because of MJ. Otherwise, there would be no reason to isolate it(?).

I.e., how could someone hack into the MJ-specific machine more easily than your regular desktop running MJ?

Mark


"How could someone hack into the MJ-specific machine more easily than your regular desktop running MJ?"

Because I was foolish enough to let too many people know some passwords that may have still been active on my thin clients, I don't know. And because I did run my thin clients with a firewall, which is no longer the case. Why - if you are curious, because software firewalls are resource intensive. No argument on the firewall please it is purely a subjective opinion on my part and to a great degree it depends on which brand of firewall. The intent was to be able to give MJ uninterrupted use of the machine in total.

I have since found that my router allows me to run the thin clients without a fire wall and block all activity from them ever reaching my LAN. Which in my subjective opinion is the best of both worlds. Great audio quality, without the need for additional security software running on the thin client to steel or delay UDP/TCP packets for inspection.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:42 am    Post subject:

Folks .. the nonsense in this thread really should be STOPPED !!! This thread was originally about the response from Dan to the 30 minute cutoff and it is no WAY off topic. Can we keep to teh topic for which this thread was intended and take these side rants off to another thread? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject:

George It looks like I found a T5730 as a trade for a laptop that was given to me, I have 3 laptops and certainly didnt need a forth besides the laptop was only a single-core celeron......I'll know more tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:56 pm    Post subject: Sunday Nite Test - 60 mins and cut off!

I just completed a same area-code test from MJ to my second wire line. It cut the call at 60 minutes.

I have not read anything about this in the threads I skimmed over, but MJ is a CLEC - they must be buying Bulk Minutes from an LD carrier. The only reason I can see them restricting the call period is to try to keep a positive balance of these Bulk Minutes. If MJ cannot pay for more bulk minutes, then they cannot provide LD services when the meter hits zero.

Just my theory - I worked at a startup CLEC 12 years ago and that's how it was done then, maybe it's different now. I still work the same job, but it was bought by a big telco, and I Don't Do Phones! (Thank God!).
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:18 pm    Post subject:

ret27m wrote:
George It looks like I found a T5730 as a trade for a laptop that was given to me, I have 3 laptops and certainly didnt need a forth besides the laptop was only a single-core celeron......I'll know more tomorrow.


ret,

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Those 5730 scream! And i can tell for a fact they handle 2GB/2GB very well.

Remember fingers crossed. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Sunday Nite Test - 60 mins and cut off!

Datapanic wrote:
I just completed a same area-code test from MJ to my second wire line. It cut the call at 60 minutes.


Same here on a Go to Meeting Conference Call today, right at 60min.

This is ridicules for a local call same area code. I have 3 magicjacks for sale and 3 HP5720 Thin Clients REAL CHEAP!

Kokkos
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:13 am    Post subject:

Kokkos

How cheap I'll buy them.......let me know.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:27 am    Post subject:

ret27m wrote:
Kokkos

How cheap I'll buy them.......let me know.


"Ditto"

I won't out bid ret27m (hmmm Wink ) but I am in line right behind him. Anything he doesn't like I'll take at a "cough" good price.

Regards,

PS - Kokkos, I agree with you but there are a lot more people upset about it (IMHO) than Dan ever imagined. Not to cut Ret and myself out of a good deal but you might just wait until Jan, 2 2009. It may just have been a poor decision on how to "load shed".
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:30 am    Post subject:

I can confirm that area code 203 had a 30-minute limit in place on 12/24 and that the limit was removed [or changed to 40 or 60] before 12/27. I was looking at outgoing call records after the Mrs. reported a call being dropped, and there's a record of a drop at exactly 30 minutes on 12/24 and a 35 minute call [which wasn't dropped] on 12/27 [about 4PM EST].
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:34 am    Post subject: I have around 10 5720 with 512/512

I have around (10) 5720 with 512/512



I was going to configure for Clients personal use but not after experiencing PT "Dan" MagicJack Barnum trade practices. Limiting calls by 30 then 60 minutes with no noitification except on how LUCKY we were.

PM me if interested,

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:46 am    Post subject:

HolmanGT wrote:
PS - Kokkos, I agree with you but there are a lot more people upset about it (IMHO) than Dan ever imagined. Not to cut Ret and myself out of a good deal but you might just wait until Jan, 2 2009. It may just have been a poor decision on how to "load shed".


I am really frustrated, the upgrade destroyed my ability to use an expensive Panasonic 4 line phone system, I now have to log into my thincleint and soft dial the number then pick up my hand set, count my minutes and explain "I have to go it's past my bedtime" when 60 minutes begin to close in.

I had to reconfigure 7 HP5720's right before Christmas for 3 of my clients home Magic Jack Numbers that stopped working after LUCK TO BE YOU!

I am totally amazed at the extreme level of complete incompetence within Magic Jack’s Trade Practices and Public Relationship Policies.

Kokkos
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:57 am    Post subject:

Kokkos wrote:
HolmanGT wrote:
PS - Kokkos, I agree with you but there are a lot more people upset about it (IMHO) than Dan ever imagined. Not to cut Ret and myself out of a good deal but you might just wait until Jan, 2 2009. It may just have been a poor decision on how to "load shed".


I am really frustrated, the upgrade destroyed my ability to use an expensive Panasonic 4 line phone system, I now have to log into my thincleint and soft dial the number then pick up my hand set, count my minutes and explain "I have to go it's past my bedtime" when 60 minutes begin to close in.

I had to reconfigure 7 HP5720's right before Christmas for 3 of my clients home Magic Jack Numbers that stopped working after LUCK TO BE YOU!

I am totally amazed at the extreme level of complete incompetence within Magic Jack’s Trade Practices and Public Relationship Policies.

Kokkos


Kokkos,

We should have all become gun-shy when he started dropping customers for excessive usage without so much as a warning and/or notice once the dirty dead was done.

People had to come here and ask "How come I suddenly can't make outgoing calls". I don't justify abuse but first you have to define "Abuse".

Still think you might hang in just a bit. None of us know for sure if Dan B. even knows that one of his henchmen has instituted these bizarre policies.

It could be a "Napoleon Syd rome" on the some employees part and the big kids don't even know about it yet.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:28 pm    Post subject: Very Nice Skype Telephone...

Good evening, neo1.

Please accept my apologies for not providing feedback on this sooner. I've been practicing with my Christmas present and have discovered that I wished I had taken up guitar years ago rather than thinking about it for so long. It's been the best thing I've done for myself in years.

neo1 wrote:
I just typed in "skype phone" at Amazon but the link is:

http://www.amazon.com/GE-SKYPE-Dect-Cordless-phone/dp/B000QXAU8I/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1230331485&sr=8-1


That explains it. I never actually did a search on skype phone at Amazon.com. I don't remember how I stumbled onto the NetGear phone, but I was clicking on embedded links from there.

Performing a search on skype phone as you suggested produced a lot of interesting results -- not the least of which is the GE Skype DECT 6.0 telephone you mentioned. After reading the description and some reviews, I must agree with you that it is a wiser choice than the NetGear model. I just discovered that Amazon has sold out of their supply of the GE DECT 6.0 telephones and the available units that come up in search results are from so-called Amazon.com partners. The prices are slightly higher and the free shipping isn't available. Let's hope Amazon.com restocks in a few weeks.

Something else that came up under the skype phone search string is this intriguing little D-Link DPH-50U Skype USB Phone Adapter. It's heavily discounted and there is a USD10.00 rebate good on purchases made through 31 December 2008. So, at USD7.99, I simply had to order one. I couldn't resist at that price. It may be junk, but it'll be fun to try it anyway. If it actually does function, I'll be able to use my existing telephones with Skype. The other advantage of this solution is that I can re-use my magicJack laptop telephony server as a Skype server. Smile

I will absolutely report back on how the D-Link DPH-50U Skype USB Phone Adapter functions after I try it out.

Thank you.

Lisa Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Very Nice Skype Telephone...

lcompton wrote:
Good evening, neo1.

Please accept my apologies for not providing feedback on this sooner. I've been practicing with my Christmas present and have discovered that I wished I had taken up guitar years ago rather than thinking about it for so long. It's been the best thing I've done for myself in years.

neo1 wrote:
I just typed in "skype phone" at Amazon but the link is:

http://www.amazon.com/GE-SKYPE-Dect-Cordless-phone/dp/B000QXAU8I/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1230331485&sr=8-1


That explains it. I never actually did a search on skype phone at Amazon.com. I don't remember how I stumbled onto the NetGear phone, but I was clicking on embedded links from there.

Performing a search on skype phone as you suggested produced a lot of interesting results -- not the least of which is the GE Skype DECT 6.0 telephone you mentioned. After reading the description and some reviews, I must agree with you that it is a wiser choice than the NetGear model. I just discovered that Amazon has sold out of their supply of the GE DECT 6.0 telephones and the available units that come up in search results are from so-called Amazon.com partners. The prices are slightly higher and the free shipping isn't available. Let's hope Amazon.com restocks in a few weeks.

Something else that came up under the skype phone search string is this intriguing little D-Link DPH-50U Skype USB Phone Adapter. It's heavily discounted and there is a USD10.00 rebate good on purchases made through 31 December 2008. So, at USD7.99, I simply had to order one. I couldn't resist at that price. It may be junk, but it'll be fun to try it anyway. If it actually does function, I'll be able to use my existing telephones with Skype. The other advantage of this solution is that I can re-use my magicJack laptop telephony server as a Skype server. Smile

I will absolutely report back on how the D-Link DPH-50U Skype USB Phone Adapter functions after I try it out.

Thank you.

Lisa Smile


Lisa:
I have had the DPH-50U for about a year now. I use it occasionally for SkypeOut when I "need" to make an anonymous calls. I've not had any issues with it and and after rebate, mine was FREE from Circuit City.
It is connected to the same PC as the MagicJack (actually I am using an old DTA310 from Packet8, with flashed firmware). When I want to make a Skype call I just hit ## and the d-link switches from MagicJack to Skype... Good luck with yours..........
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Very Nice Skype Telephone...

Good afternoon and Happy New Year, grimball!

grimball wrote:
I have had the DPH-50U for about a year now. I use it occasionally for SkypeOut when I "need" to make an anonymous calls. I've not had any issues with it and and after rebate, mine was FREE from Circuit City.
It is connected to the same PC as the MagicJack (actually I am using an old DTA310 from Packet8, with flashed firmware). When I want to make a Skype call I just hit ## and the d-link switches from MagicJack to Skype... Good luck with yours..........


I appreciate your helpful feedback. It is consistent with other feedback I've received regarding the DPH-50U with Skype. I'm looking forward to trying out this setup.

I'd be interested in knowning why you're using both magicJack and Skype? I'm looking at migrating to Skype as a replacement to magicJack to escape magicJack's 60-minute call caps, which don't work for me.

Also, while reading the 80+ Amazon.com reviews on the DPH-50U it became abundantly clear that the product and drivers have matured over the past couple of years. If we could remove the 2006 and early 2007 reviews, the DPH-50U would be at or very near five stars. The 2008 reviews are overwhelmingly stellar for the DPH-50U.

Many of the reviewers recommend differing versions of drivers to use with the DPH-50U. About the only thing that is clear is that the drivers on the accompanying product CD-ROM are the worst possible choice. I downloaded the Windows Vista driver package from D-Link's web-site, which also contain an updated version of the Windows XP drivers.

Do you have any thoughts on driver packages? Which drivers are you using with your DPH-50U?

I'm excited about trying out Skype with the DPH-50U. If this works out, I'll have a reliable inexpensive home telephone service without 60-minute call caps! Smile

Also, is it true that one has to dial the international calling code prefix to make local calls with Skype? I read that to call a local number with Skype I will have to dial 001 + area code + exchange + local extension. The extra 001 is a bit of a pain, but liveable.

Thank you.

Lisa Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:05 pm    Post subject:

Lisa,

Your enthusiasm for the DPH-50U has got my interest up. You need to stop Dilly dallying around and give it a go so I don't have it wast my money if it is a piece of junk. Laughing

The thirty or sixty minute cap is not tolerable for me either. I do a lot of (free) help & support for folks that weren't born with a keyboard as a pacifier. The conversation interrupts at 30 or 60 minutes is very awkward.

And for my 83 year old mother that is severely Technophobic when her conversations are cut off, well try explaining that to her. She still thinks she is talking to a real person when someones answering machine kicks on. Embarassed

I just took a look at the DPH-50U on the D-Link site and the cosmetics are good and the fact that it will allow both land-line and Skype make it a very enticing alternative to the Magic that Jack doesn't have up his sleeve anymore.

Regards and Happy New Year.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Very Nice Skype Telephone...

lcompton wrote:
Good afternoon and Happy New Year, grimball!

grimball wrote:
I have had the DPH-50U for about a year now. I use it occasionally for SkypeOut when I "need" to make an anonymous calls. I've not had any issues with it and and after rebate, mine was FREE from Circuit City.
It is connected to the same PC as the MagicJack (actually I am using an old DTA310 from Packet8, with flashed firmware). When I want to make a Skype call I just hit ## and the d-link switches from MagicJack to Skype... Good luck with yours..........


I appreciate your helpful feedback. It is consistent with other feedback I've received regarding the DPH-50U with Skype. I'm looking forward to trying out this setup.

I'd be interested in knowning why you're using both magicJack and Skype? I'm looking at migrating to Skype as a replacement to magicJack to escape magicJack's 60-minute call caps, which don't work for me.

The cap does not bother me (the advertising/claim of unlimited calls bothers me). How do I say this without offending..... I am a man therefore my calls consist of "Yes, dear" "O.K." "Love you too", and "Buhbye"
I can accomplish this in 45 seconds, on a slow day.


I got the MJ to play with. Cutting the land-line, I've had for 25+ years is not an option for a couple of reasons:

1. No MJ local number here.....
2. Monitored home alarm, not sure it can be FULLY trusted with any VOIP
3. Wife not totally convinced on quality of VOIP
4. the 36 per moth on land-line (AT&T) is trivial to the $175 iPhone & Blackberry data/cell plans (and 2 additional cells for family)

Many of the reviewers recommend differing versions of drivers to use with the DPH-50U. About the only thing that is clear is that the drivers on the accompanying product CD-ROM are the worst possible choice. I downloaded the Windows Vista driver package from D-Link's web-site, which also contain an updated version of the Windows XP drivers.

Do you have any thoughts on driver packages? Which drivers are you using with your DPH-50U?
I have it on an XPsp3 install.
http://www.dlink.com/products/support.asp?pid=466#drivers

I'm excited about trying out Skype with the DPH-50U. If this works out, I'll have a reliable inexpensive home telephone service without 60-minute call caps! Smile

I have not purchased a monthly plan with Skype, just credits, which have lasted a long time.

Also, is it true that one has to dial the international calling code prefix to make local calls with Skype? I read that to call a local number with Skype I will have to dial 001 + area code + exchange + local extension. The extra 001 is a bit of a pain, but liveable.
You are correct on the dialing.


Thank you.

Lisa Smile


One other thing, not to discuss the legal issues, but the software lets you record .WAV files of the calls (incoming & outgoing) made with the DLINK. No beep to let the other party aware they are being recorded....... Arrow
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: But, My DPH-50U Isn't Here Yet...

Good afternoon and Happy New Year, George!

HolmanGT wrote:
Your enthusiasm for the DPH-50U has got my interest up. You need to stop Dilly dallying around and give it a go so I don't have it wast my money if it is a piece of junk. Laughing


My DPH-50U hasn't arrived yet. It's due here next week (according to Amazon.com), which means I won't get to fuss with it until next weekend.

HolmanGT wrote:
The conversation interrupts at 30 or 60 minutes is very awkward.


Agreed.

Also, I'd be interested in collaborating on a Skype-on-Thin Client cooperative development effort. I'm not keen on experimenting on my Thin Client because it's my primary home telephone line server. I imagine you have Thin Clients by the bushel, so if you could free up a Thin Client and test out Skype to see if it will run, I'd be keenly interested in your results. Please let me know your thoughts.

I'm going to be testing Skype and the DPH-50U on the dedicated laptop magicJack server I purchased a few months ago.

Thank you.

Lisa Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject:

Lisa,

I do have several Thin Clients kicking around besides the one that is my MJ line.

I think will give the Skype thing a go and I will definitely let you know how that works out.
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