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gerakus
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject:

Thank you

mozerd and stroths

The information that you guys gave me its what I was looking for.
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jwryahoo
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject:

Hi,

My experience with TC thus far.

Quote:
Will a T5700 hp work fine with just 256 flash/256 ram and windows XPe sp 2 with the magic jack software? *No planning on the flash upgrade*

I just planning to use the magic jack on this thin client computer and nothing more.


You are asking in regards to the t5700 -- however there may be others that would want/need/like to know about the t5710. This information may be helpful.

I have a t5710, 1.2, 512/256 . I also have, I believe, the latest MJ update/upgrade. What I have found is the GUI of MJ requires more resources to run than it does when it is minimized.

My MJ runs flawlessly for about a week -- if I continue to minimize the pop up GUI after usage. At the end of about a week the memory on the TC in exhausted and I need to reboot and restart MJ. It seems that the newer version of MJ uses more resources.

Looking at the various posts here I think I need to increase my flash memory to at least 512 or more rather than leaving it at 256.

Actually, I was thinking on selling the TC on Ebay and buying/using a standard laptop -- however the TCs are now selling for less than what I paid for mine and I would probably lose money.

Is anyone else having the problem of the TC running out of memory after an extended time of usage with or without the pop up GUI remaining popped up?

Note -- I have done all the tweaks that are listed in the various threads.

Blessings

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VaHam
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:10 am    Post subject:

jwryahoo wrote:
Hi,

My experience with TC thus far.

Quote:
Will a T5700 hp work fine with just 256 flash/256 ram and windows XPe sp 2 with the magic jack software? *No planning on the flash upgrade*

I just planning to use the magic jack on this thin client computer and nothing more.


You are asking in regards to the t5700 -- however there may be others that would want/need/like to know about the t5710. This information may be helpful.

I have a t5710, 1.2, 512/256 . I also have, I believe, the latest MJ update/upgrade. What I have found is the GUI of MJ requires more resources to run than it does when it is minimized.

My MJ runs flawlessly for about a week -- if I continue to minimize the pop up GUI after usage. At the end of about a week the memory on the TC in exhausted and I need to reboot and restart MJ. It seems that the newer version of MJ uses more resources.

Looking at the various posts here I think I need to increase my flash memory to at least 512 or more rather than leaving it at 256.

Actually, I was thinking on selling the TC on Ebay and buying/using a standard laptop -- however the TCs are now selling for less than what I paid for mine and I would probably lose money.

Is anyone else having the problem of the TC running out of memory after an extended time of usage with or without the pop up GUI remaining popped up?

Note -- I have done all the tweaks that are listed in the various threads.

Blessings

jwr


Sounds like a small memory leak. I haven't noticed it but the thin client I am running one of my MJ's on has a scheduled task which runs at 4AM and reboots the thin client so I probably would not notice.
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dims24
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:22 am    Post subject:

Hey VaHam,
I would like my TC to reboot like that also. How did you set that up?
Thanks....Mike
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kulumbaa
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject:

my MJ is on a t5710 256/512 i have no such problems with the memory my tc is on usually for weeks the only time i reboot is when i make some changes and need to commit.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:08 pm    Post subject:

dims24 wrote:
Hey VaHam,
I would like my TC to reboot like that also. How did you set that up?
Thanks....Mike

Just go into control panel and click on scheduled tasks then add a task.

In the run box place the following: C:\Windows\system32\shutdown.exe -r
In the start in box place the following: C:\Windows\system32

You can also this from your desktop computer by going to network places then browse your local network and locate your thin client. There should be two folders Printers and Faxes and Scheduled Tasks You can click on the Scheduled tasks and enter the info above there to create the task on the thin client.

In both cases you need to fill in the Run as: info. For me this looks like MJ\Administrator where MJ is the NETBIOS Name of my thin client and Administrator is the user account there under which the task should be run. Then click on Set password and enter the Administrator password your using.

The times and rest of the settings you can configure as you like.

Keep in mind that this reboot will also do a auto update on MJ as it reboots so if you don't want that to happen you'll need to edit your hosts table to stops MJ updates.

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dims24
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:39 am    Post subject:

Thanks VaHam,
But actually.... earlier today I decided to check out a little free program I use on my main PC called "shutdown for windowsnt" by dimaware.

It has an option to schedule a reboot. I just put in the time and click ok. Works like a charm.....only once a day though. But that is fine.
Mike
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bberris
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:51 am    Post subject: install tinyxp

hotman wrote:
Can someone please explain how to install TinyXp Beast in a thin client T5700


Thanks!


How about a networking boot disk on the usb key?
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VaHam
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:02 am    Post subject:

dims24 wrote:
Thanks VaHam,
But actually.... earlier today I decided to check out a little free program I use on my main PC called "shutdown for windowsnt" by dimaware.

It has an option to schedule a reboot. I just put in the time and click ok. Works like a charm.....only once a day though. But that is fine.
Mike


Your welcome dims! BTW all the detail in the instructions was not aimed at you. I try to make things a simple as possible since all types of users read the mail in forums and you never know their skill level.

The -r option for shutdown also causes a reboot not just a shutdown. So the instructions above will in fact perform an automated reboot at whatever time(s) you specify.

I guess I just prefer to use built-in options rather than third party programs when ever I can. But as long as the cat gets skinned all is well Smile

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mozerd
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:13 am    Post subject:

VaHam wrote:
The -r option for shutdown also causes a reboot not just a shutdown. So the instructions above will in fact perform an automated reboot at whatever time(s) you specify.

I guess I just prefer to use built-in options rather than third party programs when ever I can. But as long as the cat gets skinned all is well Smile
The only point I would like to suggest to add to your instructions -- for a Thin Client -- is to make sure that in Services the Task Scheduler is started and set to Automatic otherwise the Automated reboot may never be invoked.
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VaHam
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:26 am    Post subject:

mozerd wrote:
VaHam wrote:
The -r option for shutdown also causes a reboot not just a shutdown. So the instructions above will in fact perform an automated reboot at whatever time(s) you specify.

I guess I just prefer to use built-in options rather than third party programs when ever I can. But as long as the cat gets skinned all is well Smile
The only point I would like to suggest to add to your instructions -- for a Thin Client -- is to make sure that in Services the Task Scheduler is started and set to Automatic otherwise the Automated reboot may never be invoked.


Good Point mozerd!

The task scheduler is handy and can be used for lots of things. It can even be used to do limited remote control since it can be controlled by using the Work Group options. You can setup tasks on the TC and then make them run by creating and changing settings using the task scheduler provided you have the share task scheduler enabled on the TC which I think is it's default. That way you don't even need run a remote desktop or teamviewer etc.

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Bubbles
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject:

fuankn wrote:
When I turned it on I was informed that I had no audio device. Troubleshooting the problem I've narrowed it down to unplugging the monitor. The audio device stays present if I unplug the keyboard and/or the mouse. It immediately disappears when I unplug the monitor.

Does anybody have any idea how I might get around this problem?

Thanks for any help,
fuankn



Are fuankn and I the only ones with this problem? I have a similar set up to fuankn. 5710 1.2Mhz Ali chipset but I only have 256/256 until my orders come in. I get the error "No output/input audio devices found!" when MJ first loads up and right after dialing a phone #. Under Volume/Headset Control MJ is locked on Headset/Other. I can't switch to Telephone and there are no audio devices to select for the 3 options.
The Ali drivers are there, not that I plan on using a headset and microphone anyway. If I call the MJ phone # I get a rapid busy and the call is logged in red color.
Any ideas out there in Magic Jack land?
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PTravel
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject:

Bubbles wrote:
fuankn wrote:
When I turned it on I was informed that I had no audio device. Troubleshooting the problem I've narrowed it down to unplugging the monitor. The audio device stays present if I unplug the keyboard and/or the mouse. It immediately disappears when I unplug the monitor.

Does anybody have any idea how I might get around this problem?

Thanks for any help,
fuankn



Are fuankn and I the only ones with this problem? I have a similar set up to fuankn. 5710 1.2Mhz Ali chipset but I only have 256/256 until my orders come in. I get the error "No output/input audio devices found!" when MJ first loads up and right after dialing a phone #. Under Volume/Headset Control MJ is locked on Headset/Other. I can't switch to Telephone and there are no audio devices to select for the 3 options.
The Ali drivers are there, not that I plan on using a headset and microphone anyway. If I call the MJ phone # I get a rapid busy and the call is logged in red color.
Any ideas out there in Magic Jack land?
Sounds like the problem I (and just about everyone else) had with the HP thin clients. The only way I was able to fix this is by downgrading the firmware in the MagicJack. I spent an hour or so doing an on-line chat with the so-called support people and was finally promised a call back from a real technician. This was ten days ago. No call yet.
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Bubbles
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject:

PTravel wrote:
Bubbles wrote:
fuankn wrote:
When I turned it on I was informed that I had no audio device. Troubleshooting the problem I've narrowed it down to unplugging the monitor. The audio device stays present if I unplug the keyboard and/or the mouse. It immediately disappears when I unplug the monitor.

Does anybody have any idea how I might get around this problem?

Thanks for any help,
fuankn



Are fuankn and I the only ones with this problem? I have a similar set up to fuankn. 5710 1.2Mhz Ali chipset but I only have 256/256 until my orders come in. I get the error "No output/input audio devices found!" when MJ first loads up and right after dialing a phone #. Under Volume/Headset Control MJ is locked on Headset/Other. I can't switch to Telephone and there are no audio devices to select for the 3 options.
The Ali drivers are there, not that I plan on using a headset and microphone anyway. If I call the MJ phone # I get a rapid busy and the call is logged in red color.
Any ideas out there in Magic Jack land?
Sounds like the problem I (and just about everyone else) had with the HP thin clients. The only way I was able to fix this is by downgrading the firmware in the MagicJack. I spent an hour or so doing an on-line chat with the so-called support people and was finally promised a call back from a real technician. This was ten days ago. No call yet.


Thanks. I found the thread. Now that I have the old firmware it's working somewhat. Now MJ locks up after about a minute of talking.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:53 pm    Post subject:

I just completed upgrading my HP t5720. It's now a maximum of 1GB RAM, 8GB flash memory and I bought the expansion module and upgraded to NVidia's NVS280 64MB graphics card. Everything is running great.

The total cost was:
RAM = $50
8GB Flash = $105 (purchased from memoryc.com http://www.memoryc.com/memory/TS8GDOM44H_S.html)
Expansion Module = $30
NVidia NVS280 graphics card = $40 (purchased off ebay)

I installed Zone Alarm firewall, Avast free virus software and I'm going to install Webroot Spy Sweeper. The video is much better than stock.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject:

Mark wrote:
I just completed upgrading my HP t5720. It's now a maximum of 1GB RAM, 8GB flash memory and I bought the expansion module and upgraded to NVidia's NVS280 64MB graphics card. Everything is running great.

The total cost was:
RAM = $50
8GB Flash = $105 (purchased from memoryc.com http://www.memoryc.com/memory/TS8GDOM44H_S.html)
Expansion Module = $30
NVidia NVS280 graphics card = $40 (purchased off ebay)

I installed Zone Alarm firewall, Avast free virus software and I'm going to install Webroot Spy Sweeper. The video is much better than stock.
Thanks for the report, Mark. I'm curious, why did you feel you needed 8 gig of flash memory? Are you running full XP Pro? Because flash memory has a limited re-write cycle, I've found it's best to put as much disk activity on a USB drive, e.g. installed programs, profiles, etc. I upgraded to 1 gb of flash, left the ram where it was and just added a USB drive.

I also got the expansion module (rather clever how HP designed it), but I'm using it with a gigabyte NIC so that my thin client can also function as an NAS (along with a number of other 24/7 functions). It, too, works great -- very speedy now.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject:

Why cant you use a standard CF thing? Or a USB flash drive?
85 bucks is expesnive ass for 8gb these days.
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Mark
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject:

PTravel wrote:
Mark wrote:
I just completed upgrading my HP t5720. It's now a maximum of 1GB RAM, 8GB flash memory and I bought the expansion module and upgraded to NVidia's NVS280 64MB graphics card. Everything is running great.

The total cost was:
RAM = $50
8GB Flash = $105 (purchased from memoryc.com http://www.memoryc.com/memory/TS8GDOM44H_S.html)
Expansion Module = $30
NVidia NVS280 graphics card = $40 (purchased off ebay)

I installed Zone Alarm firewall, Avast free virus software and I'm going to install Webroot Spy Sweeper. The video is much better than stock.
Thanks for the report, Mark. I'm curious, why did you feel you needed 8 gig of flash memory? Are you running full XP Pro? Because flash memory has a limited re-write cycle, I've found it's best to put as much disk activity on a USB drive, e.g. installed programs, profiles, etc. I upgraded to 1 gb of flash, left the ram where it was and just added a USB drive.

I also got the expansion module (rather clever how HP designed it), but I'm using it with a gigabyte NIC so that my thin client can also function as an NAS (along with a number of other 24/7 functions). It, too, works great -- very speedy now.


From what I understand, limited rewrite cycle of flash is something I don't have to worry. Here is what I'm referring to: http://www.esacademy.com/faq/docs/flash/lifetime.htm

I bought 8GBs of flash because I wanted to install everything I would need for security, plus have plenty room for anything else I should happen to want to install/save. I admit that 8GB for a Thin Client is probably overkill since I'm not using it for business purposes. My t5720 is what I'm now using for surfing the Internet instead of my desktop computer, which was a bit loud with the fans, and it generated more heat and used more electricity with its 650 watt power supply (I bought an nVidia 8800GTS 640MB card for gaming--got to have a little fun after all). The quite surfing of the Thin Client in itself is nicer. The next thing I want to get is a 24-inch LCD monitor. I'm also looking into programing the Bios to turn my Thin Client on and off at preset times.

MagicJack is up and running without a problem. But I had to work to get everything running, including, of course, installing XPe and I also had to install DirectX 9.0c per HolmanGT's instructions and ran the diagnostic test. Once the DirectX was installed magicJack worked fine.

My overall evaluation of magicJack so far is that it's doing a good job, especially in light of the fact I'm saving the ridiculous costs to have a Verizon land line.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: Transcend Flash Purchase w/Coupon

RE: http://ec.transcendusa.com/product/ItemDetail.asp?itemid=TS1GDOM44H-S

Decided to go with Transcend on the Flash Upgrades for my two T5710's and found a coupon after doing a Google for "Transcend Coupons" which saved me 5 bucks IF my order was over $50 NET. That coupon code is: FLRW887N2 which expires in October 2008. AND!!!! Transcend lowered their flash drive price down to around $27 each. I feel lucky for reading these posts. Thanks to all those who contribute here. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject: Hitachi Microdrive Speed Results

After an very long wait due to some problems with Deal Extreme I received the CF adapter I ordered from them a couple of days ago. Last Night I finally got a chance to give it a whirl in on of my T5710's.

First I set the BIOS to boot from usb first then ata second. I then inserted a DOK with an image of the system I had saved using the steps I outlined in an earlier post in this thread.

I took a simply approach to start with and just plugged in the cable, CF adapter and Microdrive into the IDE port where the flash drive normally resides. I then powered up the TC and entered the BIOS. I checked the hard drive to see if it was bing recognized and it was. It showed up as follows:

IDE Primary Master (there are jumpers on the CF adapter which can change this but mine came already setuo as master)

Cylinder 7936
Head 16
Precomp 0
Landing Zone 7935
Sectors 63

Ok so far I just hit F10 to accept and exit the BIOS. When the TC rebooted it went to the DOK and booted free DOS. I just hit return a couple of time to accept the date and time and got to the C: prompt.

I typed restore (again using the steps I outlined in the earlier post in this thread) and the restore process began. Once the restore process was complete I removed the USB DOK as instructed and cycled the power. Almost amazingly the system booted right up into Xpe.

I was surprised that Xpe didn't complain that I was booting from a removable drive but it did not. All is not well with this method however since the primary partition size is that of the image I restored (512MB) and not the full drive size.

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I will have to figure out how to address this later but for now it would allow me to run the HD speed test to determine the performance of the Microdrive in the CF to IDE adapter. The results are shown in the following graphic.

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The performance appears to be the same as the stock flash drive which came in the T5710 at least thru the primary partition. It falls off a bit after 512MB and averages 5.8MB/s.

Obviously I have to find a way to extend the primary partition to make full use of the Mircodrive size so I have some work to do yet but for those of you interested in the speed performance this post should answer that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:32 pm    Post subject:

When you restore, you are limited to the original partition size. You might be able to play around with sysprep and get it to extend, but never tried it. Your other options are to reinstall fresh which should use the full disk size or use a 3rd party patitioning program to extend the ntfs. A free one is gparted (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/).

EDIT: You could also just create a second partition too. Since you have a microdrive, you could also disable EWF completely if you wanted since you essentially have a micro hard drive.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject:

stroths wrote:
When you restore, you are limited to the original partition size. You might be able to play around with sysprep and get it to extend, but never tried it. Your other options are to reinstall fresh which should use the full disk size or use a 3rd party patitioning program to extend the ntfs. A free one is gparted (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/).

EDIT: You could also just create a second partition too. Since you have a microdrive, you could also disable EWF completely if you wanted since you essentially have a micro hard drive.


Well after much trial and tribulation I finally gave up for now on trying to resize the original partition. I tried several different methods and software packages without success. The partition would resize ok and windows would boot from the resized partition however when it got to the point of "loading user information" it would quit saying that it was unable to check the security of the installation.

I did learn a few things in the process the most important one was that in order to get my T5710 to actually boot from USB I had to not only set the bios to boot from USB first I had to power down the TC. Not just turn the power off but actually remove the power connector. I suspect that if the bios detects a faulty ide (as when the microdrive has not been loaded with a MBR) it stops the boot saying the drive is invalid even though I had the bios set to disable ATA and enable USB. It seemed to ignore that and failed to boot from USB. I found by accident that removing the power completely prior to rebooting allowed the system to actually boot from the USB fine. Not sure why removing the power fixes this but it does.

After fiddling around with resizing the partition I decided that it would be easier to just create a second primary partition on the drive which would become my D: drive. I learned that since the microdrive was marked as removable that only one partition is allowed by windows. Some searching led to finding the Hitachi Microdrive Filter. This driver allows the microdrive to be seen as a fixed drive which can then be partitioned into multiple partitions.

To install the driver you need to first place a xPe image on the drive. I used the restore.bat from an image I had previously created as outlined in earlier posts to do that.

The Hitachi driver you download from xpefiles does not include disk.sys which will be needed for installation. I just used a disk.sys from my desktop xp system32 directory. If you want to make this easy unpack the xpfildrvr1224_320.zip from xpefiles download into an empty directory of your choice. Then create a sub directory under there called i386 and copy the disk.sys into the i386 subdirectory. This will avoid you have to search for and point to it later during installation of the driver on your TC. Next you need to copy the whatever you called your directory to somewhere on your TC. I used Teamviewer to copy the directory from my desktop to the TC but you can use any method to get the files on your TC.

To install the Microdrive Filter on your TC you need to go to My Computer and right click on the C: drive and select Properties from the list. Next select the Hardware tab you should then see your microdrive listed in the "all drives" box. Click on the properties button and then select the Driver tab near the top. After clicking on the driver tab select "Update Driver". On the nest window check "No not this time" then click next. Then check install from a specific location after which you will browse to where ever you saved the drivers earlier. Click on the cfadisk.inf and the install should take place. Just follow the directions from here and the system will notify that it has installed new drivers and needs to reboot.

I then used Gparted; actually I had problems with the gparted.iso not giving me a GUI and booting to a grub command line, so I located something called Parted Magic which includes gparted but handles the TC graphics better so I was able to get a GUI to work with. I then used the gparted option in Parted Magic to create actually a third partition since EWF creates a type 45 partition itself. I simply used the unallocated area to create an additional single large primary partition. I then selected to format the new partition ntfs from the menu. Don't forget to hit the apply after making your selections and waiting for them to complete. I then shut down Parted Magic and powered down.

When I rebooted I now have three drives listed C: (the original xPe patition) D: (the new 3+GB partition) and the original Z: (ram drive).

I used the enableEWF.bat to enable the EWF which protects the xPe C: drive from being written to without a commit and thus providing a measure of protection. It is possible to also add EWF to the D: partition as well but I chose not to do that and will point all the dynamic data at the D: drive.

I ran another drive speed test after all this to see how much the microdrive filter effected the speed and found that it does slow things down a bit as shown below however I can live with the speed decrease in order to have a nicely protected C: and a dynamic D: which I don't have to worry about burning out from write cycles.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: Can't figure out how to use stroths 1.2.

I have the TC 192/256 that I successfully got mJ working on a while back...

But, I wanted the call spoofer, so I went and got the Transcend 1GB DOM. Installed that today.

So, now I wanted to get and install the stroths modified OS. I downloaded all parts, and they open up in WinRar, but I can't figure out what to do now. I tried to unrar them all into the same folder, but kept getting notices that some of the files already existed. I clicked okay, and had it overwrite each time, for each part of the files.

Then, I tried to format my USB drive using the HPUSBFW.EXE tool. And, that seems to work, until I get to the "1)Select your USB DOK drive letter, Select FAT, and check the "Create a DOS startup disk" option" part. If I click on the box for "create a DOS startup disk" option, it wants to know where the files are I will use to create this. "Using DOS system files located at:" and the box is blank. So, I can't create or format the USB key.

So, I can't get any farther. I can't format the USB key from within Windows, either, without it wanted to know where the DOS system files are.

What am I doing wrong?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: Can't figure out how to use stroths 1.2.

GuyOnTheAir wrote:
I have the TC 192/256 that I successfully got mJ working on a while back...

But, I wanted the call spoofer, so I went and got the Transcend 1GB DOM. Installed that today.

So, now I wanted to get and install the stroths modified OS. I downloaded all parts, and they open up in WinRar, but I can't figure out what to do now. I tried to unrar them all into the same folder, but kept getting notices that some of the files already existed. I clicked okay, and had it overwrite each time, for each part of the files.

Then, I tried to format my USB drive using the HPUSBFW.EXE tool. And, that seems to work, until I get to the "1)Select your USB DOK drive letter, Select FAT, and check the "Create a DOS startup disk" option" part. If I click on the box for "create a DOS startup disk" option, it wants to know where the files are I will use to create this. "Using DOS system files located at:" and the box is blank. So, I can't create or format the USB key.

So, I can't get any farther. I can't format the USB key from within Windows, either, without it wanted to know where the DOS system files are.

What am I doing wrong?


I haven't used the HPUSBFW.EXE tool so I can't help you with that; but another way to get a DOS bootable USB DOK is to just download the HP Image File sp29702.exe and follow it's instructions to build the bootable DOK then delete any thing you don't need from that (image.ibr, autoexec.bat et. al.). Then you should be able to copy stroths files onto the DOK and use that.

UPDATE:

I suspect you may need to download the FREE DOS system files and point to these during the HPUSBFW process.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Can't figure out how to use stroths 1.2.

VaHam wrote:
GuyOnTheAir wrote:


So, now I wanted to get and install the stroths modified OS. I downloaded all parts, and they open up in WinRar, but I can't figure out what to do now. I tried to unrar them all into the same folder, but kept getting notices that some of the files already existed. I clicked okay, and had it overwrite each time, for each part of the files.

Then, I tried to format my USB drive using the HPUSBFW.EXE tool. And, that seems to work, until I get to the "1)Select your USB DOK drive letter, Select FAT, and check the "Create a DOS startup disk" option" part. If I click on the box for "create a DOS startup disk" option, it wants to know where the files are I will use to create this. "Using DOS system files located at:" and the box is blank. So, I can't create or format the USB key.

So, I can't get any farther. I can't format the USB key from within Windows, either, without it wanted to know where the DOS system files are.

What am I doing wrong?


I haven't used the HPUSBFW.EXE tool so I can't help you with that; but another way to get a DOS bootable USB DOK is to just download the HP Image File sp29702.exe and follow it's instructions to build the bootable DOK then delete any thing you don't need from that (image.ibr, autoexec.bat et. al.). Then you should be able to copy stroths files onto the DOK and use that.

UPDATE:

I suspect you may need to download the FREE DOS system files and point to these during the HPUSBFW process.

.


I'm downloading the files you've mentioned, and will try them as soon as they're done downloading. Thanks for your input.

Anybody else understand my problem knowing what to do with each part of stroths downloads? There are parts 1 through 5. If I extract them, using WinRAR to the same folder location, each part, starting with part 2, wants to overwrite files already placed there by part 1. Do I just let them overwrite?

I guess I'm more used to RAR files parts that end up as a large single file when you try to unrar them, instead of a bunch of individual separate pieces.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject:

Well, I guess nobody knows or understands my problem. I played around and played around with this. Eventually, it would boot from the USB stick, but would end up with a thousand errors and cancel out.

So, I just went back to the HP version to get my TC running.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:08 am    Post subject: Speed Test of 4GB 233X CF Card IDE

Ok using an image dump of the exact setup I used for the 4GB Hitachi Microdrive earlier the following is a HD Tach test result using a RiData 233X 4GB CF card instead of the Microdrive.

As you can see the read performance averages 44 MB/s for this CF card which is very respectable. So this approach is certainly a way to achieve good hardware performance for a good price. See earlier posts in this thread for pricing and sources of the hardware.

I do firmly believe that the Transcend modules are a better choice however because of their dropin replacement capability.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:15 am    Post subject:

GuyOnTheAir wrote:
Well, I guess nobody knows or understands my problem. I played around and played around with this. Eventually, it would boot from the USB stick, but would end up with a thousand errors and cancel out.

So, I just went back to the HP version to get my TC running.


Sorry I can't help ypu but I have not used stroths image myself; but I several others have reported success with it so hopefully one of them will chime in here and help you out. I did go ahead and down load the rar's from mega site and like you I noticed that some files were overwritten during the unpacking and I just let it over write them. As I said I haven't actually burned the image to a dok or loaded up a TC with it but it appears ok just looking at the results on my desktop pc.

What were the errors you were getting?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject:

GuyOnTheAir wrote:
Well, I guess nobody knows or understands my problem. I played around and played around with this. Eventually, it would boot from the USB stick, but would end up with a thousand errors and cancel out.

So, I just went back to the HP version to get my TC running.


I just tested the 5 rar files and they extracted without any warning about overwriting. My guess is that either you or your program is trying to extract everything to a single folder rather than recreate the folder structure. If everything extracted to one folder, then the bootable USB would not work.

I am using WinRAR 3.7 for reference.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:30 pm    Post subject:

stroths -- I have followed as much of your advice and setup help and I am still getting "No Audio Devices"

I have a 5700 with 1gb DOM and 512mb RAM. (Recently upgraded from 192/256).

I've downloaded your 1.0 version and have that working, your desktop is the old win2k desktop and the EWF icons are on the desktop. DirectX is working as can be seen below.

However I get a red X through the yellow lock icon and it says "Error getting EMF Status"


Here is a screen shot to give you an idea of what I have configured...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:47 pm    Post subject:

Delta-9 wrote:
stroths -- I have followed as much of your advice and setup help and I am still getting "No Audio Devices"

I have a 5700 with 1gb DOM and 512mb RAM. (Recently upgraded from 192/256).

I've downloaded your 1.0 version and have that working, your desktop is the old win2k desktop and the EWF icons are on the desktop. DirectX is working as can be seen below.

However I get a red X through the yellow lock icon and it says "Error getting EMF Status"


Here is a screen shot to give you an idea of what I have configured...


I'm not stroths by any means and I may be misunderstanding the question, but why aren't you using version 1.1 where stroths addresses "...This fixes the status lock icon having a large X through it on from 1.0." ?

If I missed the point, I apologize and I'm sure that strohs will be by shortly to lend his knowledge.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:00 am    Post subject:

Ok, I misread his post.

stroths version 1.2 - Compatible with t5710 1.2GHz and t5700 1GHz

I missed the tail end of the above. Looks like I'll be downloading 1.2 and working with 1.2 on my 5700 since I seem to have the minimum requirements for that. Thanks for the headsup.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject:

Sweet baby jesus...

I had to add some rules to my firewall which I didn't realize I had done on the laptop and the desktop.

Finally I have "Ready to Call" on my Thin Client.

Thanks to everyone who helped me get this thing working.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:59 am    Post subject:

Delta-9 wrote:
Sweet baby jesus...

I had to add some rules to my firewall which I didn't realize I had done on the laptop and the desktop.

Finally I have "Ready to Call" on my Thin Client.

Thanks to everyone who helped me get this thing working.


Glad you got it all working. Thanks for the assist lymon.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:30 am    Post subject: Problem With Stroths

I am following the instructions to install the Stroths in my Thin client T5700. I inserted a a 2Gb. USB flash drive in my computer and ran the HPUSBFW.exe program. I selected the USB flash drive and checked the "Create a DOS startup disk" option. The program is selected by default the option "using DOS system files located at". I don't know where the files are located at and the instructions does not tell where to find it. I try different places but I always get the message "there are no valid DOS files at the specified location". The program does not let me pick the "using internal MS DOS system files". Please help. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:28 am    Post subject:

The instructions that came with that image need to be updated. That step confused me as well, so I just skipped it because I noticed that the next couple steps make the USB drive bootable.

Skip checking that checkbox and you will be fine.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Problem with Stroths Installation in Thin Client

I was able to create a bootable USB flash drive and put all the Copy to DOK to the flash drive. IO made it bootable. I inserted the DOK into the USB port on the thin client and set the the USB port as the first boot. When I boot the thin client it recognize the USB flash drive and start to run but after a few minutes the thin client halts and does not continue with the installation. The last thing it says is "out of memory process 4333 (bash) score 1351 or child, killed process 4333 (bash)". I tried several times and even redo the USB DOK process to create the bootable USB again but I get the same message. I install in my thin client an upgraded 1 GB flash module TS1GDOM44H-S. I bought a 512 MB PC2700 200 pin RAM but when I installed in my thin client the TC did not start so I had to use the 256 MB RAM memory that came with my thin client. My thin client is the T5700. Please help.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:20 pm    Post subject:

Process worked fine on my 512mb RAM t5700 with 1gb DOM.

I'd look at getting that 512mb stick to work. Maybe someone else can chime in that have managed to get it to work with 256.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Problem with Stroths Installation in Thin Client

marlonsito wrote:
I was able to create a bootable USB flash drive and put all the Copy to DOK to the flash drive. IO made it bootable. I inserted the DOK into the USB port on the thin client and set the the USB port as the first boot. When I boot the thin client it recognize the USB flash drive and start to run but after a few minutes the thin client halts and does not continue with the installation. The last thing it says is "out of memory process 4333 (bash) score 1351 or child, killed process 4333 (bash)". I tried several times and even redo the USB DOK process to create the bootable USB again but I get the same message. I install in my thin client an upgraded 1 GB flash module TS1GDOM44H-S. I bought a 512 MB PC2700 200 pin RAM but when I installed in my thin client the TC did not start so I had to use the 256 MB RAM memory that came with my thin client. My thin client is the T5700. Please help.


Stroth's image won't install with only 256mb of ram, you need the 512mb. If your 512 is defective can you return it? Are you sure that it was seated properly? I don't think that there is a way around this, but I've been wrong before.

EDIT-- I just reviewed some of stroths posts and they indicate that version 1.2 will work with both 256mb and 512mb, but I could not get it to install on my T5700 with only 256mb of ram. Hopefully someone else will be able to chime in one way or another.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Re: Problem with Stroths Installation in Thin Client

I guess that I will be able to return the RAM memory. I tried several times with the 512 MB RAM and made sure it seated well but the thin client never booted with it. Maybe I will try with the Stroths 1.0 and see what happens. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:11 am    Post subject: Re: Problem with Stroths Installation in Thin Client

I guess that I will be able to return the RAM memory. I tried several times with the 512 MB RAM and made sure it seated well but the thin client never booted with it. Maybe I will try with the Stroths 1.0 and see what happens. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:16 am    Post subject: Re: Problem with Stroths Installation in Thin Client

marlonsito wrote:
I guess that I will be able to return the RAM memory. I tried several times with the 512 MB RAM and made sure it seated well but the thin client never booted with it. Maybe I will try with the Stroths 1.0 and see what happens. Thanks.


There are issues with 1.0 and it probably won't load either. Stick with 1.1 or 1.2.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:23 am    Post subject: Re: Problem with Stroths Installation in Thin Client

Where I can download the Stroths 1.1.? I just see downloads version 1.0 and 1.2 but not 1.1.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:42 am    Post subject: Re: Problem with Stroths Installation in Thin Client

marlonsito wrote:
Where I can download the Stroths 1.1.? I just see downloads version 1.0 and 1.2 but not 1.1.


Looks like it's gone. The mods to 1.2 should have made it more 256mb ram friendly than 1.1 by reducing the ramdisk size from 64mb to 15mb. You should not have gained anything using 1.1 over using 1.2.

You can try 1.0 just for the heck of it, but I don't think that it will work. I suspect that your best bet will be to get a working 512mb ram and use 1.2.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:59 am    Post subject: Re: Problem with Stroths Installation in Thin Client

The memory that I got is a 512 MB PC2700 333Mhz 200 pins SODIMM. This is the memory that seems to be bad. Is this memory supposed to work with the T5700? The thin client came with PC2100 memory.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:47 am    Post subject: Re: Problem with Stroths Installation in Thin Client

marlonsito wrote:
The memory that I got is a 512 MB PC2700 333Mhz 200 pins SODIMM. This is the memory that seems to be bad. Is this memory supposed to work with the T5700? The thin client came with PC2100 memory.


Yeah PC2700 should be backward compatible w/ PC2100. I am using a Samsung 512 MB PC2700 333Mhz 200 pin DDR SODIMM w/o any problems. Probably a bad module.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: Problem with Stroths Installation in Thin Client

marlonsito wrote:
The memory that I got is a 512 MB PC2700 333Mhz 200 pins SODIMM. This is the memory that seems to be bad. Is this memory supposed to work with the T5700? The thin client came with PC2100 memory.

You may find the following link helpful:
TIP - Memory for thin clients
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Problem with Stroths Installation in Thin Client

Thanks. Probably I will need to get the memory that it is recommended on that link.
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