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testing123
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:40 pm    Post subject: MagicJack and VMware

Anyone have this working???

(SUSE Linux Host, XP Pro Guest)

Problem: Menu / Volume/Headset Control -> the Telephone choice is ALWAYS grayed out -- can ONLY use SoftPhone Mad
Below, the Sound Devices always show "Creative Sound Blaster PCI"

Tried it on 4 different Hardware w/ numerous different MJ's


Thanks in advance
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:18 pm    Post subject:

Frank Zappa wrote:
I am not aware of a way to utilize the usb device in vmware. I've heard of it being done, but I am skeptical. I am from Missouri...


Frank, hmmm are you skeptical BECAUSE you are from Missouri??? LOL

I do it all the time -- a bit tricky under Linux (because some Linux distributions do not "automount" the USB devices); i.e., your VMware Host must see it before the Guest can even recognize it.

I just need the MagicJack "Hardware" phone to work and I am golden ...


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject:

Why not just get your sip credentials and hack it together to work nativly with Linux?

http://www.tjnet.com/software/index.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: NDA

laserjobs wrote:
Why not just get your sip credentials and hack it together to work natively with Linux?

http://www.tjnet.com/software/index.htm

FYI - You need to sign an NDA to get the Tiger Jet SDK...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject:

laserjobs wrote:
Why not just get your sip credentials and hack it together to work nativly with Linux?

http://www.tjnet.com/software/index.htm


Honestly? Time ... and time = money

With all the screwing around I am doing with Linux and VMware and everything else I am doing, I do not have time or desire to "reinvent the wheel" ... IF it has already been invented. Plus I have other VOIP using SIP device working while I wait for the MJ to mature and "grow up".

On the "official" MagicJack Forum some folks had claimed to have it working but I could never get any specifics.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject:

Won't another softphone with Linux and Tigerjet compatibilty work?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:29 pm    Post subject:

Frank Zappa wrote:
Asterisk is native linux....


Folks: I think you may be missing the point.

1. I don't want to spend time writing any code for this to work .... and VMware is an easy interim step since I have it up and running already until MJ provides a native Linux version (which they claim after Mac). I have turned a blind eye and use native XP Laptops when as necessary etc.

2. Understand: I want to use "old school" ANALOG phone devices/FAX with MJ -- NOT the softphone.


3. Anything that involves lots of Time (coding) or lots of $$$ (specialized hardware for Asterisk) ... is ruled out.

Let me know if I am missing something ... can I use Asterisk + MJ + Analog phone device w/o any additional $$$?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject:

Frank Zappa wrote:
Try the tjinit utility from the tigerjet website.


Thanks, but I just checked it again and it said "The TJ init Utility has been developed to enable third party VOIP applications (such as Dialpad, Net2phone,STanaphone, Msn, Netmeeting...) to use our hardware without modify their software."

It is focusing on using Softphone with other SIP hardware.

I want to use analog "Hardphone" with other SIP MJ hardware.

I will check some of the other posts on here about using SIP hardware with MJ credentials.

Anyone recommend a good cheap SIP device that works???
Sipura/Linksys/Cisco 3102-NA????
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject:

Somthing I found on Tigerjet and Linux

http://www.earth.li/~noodles/hardware-usbfxs.html
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject:

laserjobs wrote:
Somthing I found on Tigerjet and Linux

http://www.earth.li/~noodles/hardware-usbfxs.html



Hmmm ... very interesting. Thanks Laserjobs ... I will check it out!


Let me know if you can recommend cheap SIP device that can use the MJ account - I would appreciate it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:49 pm    Post subject:

Just grab an old SunRocket one off eBay or ask around DSLreports
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:32 pm    Post subject:

Frank Zappa wrote:
SR boxes work perfectly, and they sound really good.


Any idea which one?

MTA6328-2RE

or

AC-211-SR

?? I found both on eBay

Thanks

(FYI, I tried the Linux tools mentioned above and no dice ... tjnet USB driver bombed badly on compile)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject:

The problem is getting the SIP credentials from MJ.

Many people here report success in obtaining SIP details using Fiddler. I tried today, but this is what is happening:
    *When fiddler is running (with HTTPS enabled), it seems MJ fails to receive the authentication and shows "Connect to Internet and click here" in Softphone window.
    *All I can see in the Fiddler is MJ trying get a certificate from Prov servers and receiving it. I dont know if the certificate contains the SIP details.


Can somebody post some help on this?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:52 pm    Post subject:

aone999 wrote:
The problem is getting the SIP credentials from MJ.

Many people here report success in obtaining SIP details using Fiddler. I tried today, but this is what is happening:
    *When fiddler is running (with HTTPS enabled), it seems MJ fails to receive the authentication and shows "Connect to Internet and click here" in Softphone window.
    *All I can see in the Fiddler is MJ trying get a certificate from Prov servers and receiving it. I dont know if the certificate contains the SIP details.


Can somebody post some help on this?


LOL, is it ever easy??? All I want is a simple way to bring MJ into the "infrastructure" (and take Windoze OUT, eventually) ... i.e., already running Linux boxes (and Windoze using VMware), would be cake to string a MJ off of it.

Or, would go for using a SIP device and be done with it.

This was exactly what I meant about time = money LOL Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:38 pm    Post subject:

testing123 wrote:

LOL, is it ever easy??? All I want is a simple way to bring MJ into the "infrastructure" (and take Windoze OUT, eventually) ... i.e., already running Linux boxes (and Windoze using VMware), would be cake to string a MJ off of it.

Or, would go for using a SIP device and be done with it.

This was exactly what I meant about time = money LOL Smile

</rant>


If what smcinaz says here is true, getting the SIP details shouldn't be so hard. May be I am doing doing something wrong somewhere.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject:

aone999 wrote:
testing123 wrote:

LOL, is it ever easy??? All I want is a simple way to bring MJ into the "infrastructure" (and take Windoze OUT, eventually) ... i.e., already running Linux boxes (and Windoze using VMware), would be cake to string a MJ off of it.

Or, would go for using a SIP device and be done with it.

This was exactly what I meant about time = money LOL Smile

</rant>


If what smcinaz says here is true, getting the SIP details shouldn't be so hard. May be I am doing doing something wrong somewhere.


Yeah, I saw that ... will have to give that method (SIP device) a shot as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject:

I downloaded sjinit and installed it. It immediately recognized MJ and I was able to use my analog cordless phone to talk on Google talk and Yahoo.

I'm no SIP guru, so I don't really know what happened, but MJ's proxies were out at the time. Haven't had time to play with it much since, but I hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject:

Frank Zappa wrote:
testing123 wrote:
Frank Zappa wrote:
SR boxes work perfectly, and they sound really good.


Any idea which one?

MTA6328-2RE

or

AC-211-SR

?? I found both on eBay

Thanks

(FYI, I tried the Linux tools mentioned above and no dice ... tjnet USB driver bombed badly on compile)


I've used the AC-211's, I'll be trying the MTA6328 later this week when I get hold of one. I expect good results. The pap2's also work great, i've tested three of these hacked vonage boxes.


Interesting ... doesn't the hacked Vonage device go back if you do a Reset? (i.e., will try to re-connect with Vonage, if Reset and once it does it locked to Vonage?)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject:

ke7doy wrote:
I downloaded sjinit and installed it. It immediately recognized MJ and I was able to use my analog cordless phone to talk on Google talk and Yahoo.

I'm no SIP guru, so I don't really know what happened, but MJ's proxies were out at the time. Haven't had time to play with it much since, but I hope this helps.


I didn't have that kind of luck at all.

EDIT: I used "tjnet", "tjctl" and "tjdemo"; I don't see any "sjinit"
EDIT2: ke7doy, you are talking about Linux, right?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:54 pm    Post subject:

Frank Zappa wrote:
The Vonage boxes will revert back to vonage if you do a FULL factory reset.


Hmm .. I think they are available from Staples for about $50
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject:

Frank Zappa wrote:
I think he meant "tjinit".


Yes, that is a Windows app -- ahh, OK so run that under VMware? OK, I will try that as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject:

No dice, tried every permutation and combination of the Linux drivers and Windows drivers (under VMware) ...

same result:

1) Analog device grayed out in MJ SOftphone Menu
2) High pitched tone from Analog phone
3) MJ only works with Softphone Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:57 am    Post subject:

Here's my minimal experience with MJ and Linux:

Ubuntu ships with Ekiga (a.k.a. GnomeMeeting) softphone pre-installed. When configured for YMAX proxy, quality was excellent, using computer headset. Plugged in MJ, all four devices recognized by OS. Pointed Ekiga at TigerJet audio, could then speak and listen using analog phone. Ekiga cannot use TigerJet HID interface, so still had to use computer keyboard for dialing or answering. Also, echo canceller in Ekiga couldn't deal with the high level of electrical echo from TJ device, so had to turn transmit and receive volume way down to avoid severe echo heard by remote party. Perhaps some parameter changes would help.

Made a brief attempt with SJphone. Did not work well with default Ubuntu drivers -- inbound voice was unacceptably choppy with headset or TJ device, even after tweaking buffer sizes, etc. Did not make effort to try alternative sound schemes. HID device did not work, either. I don't know whether TJ is unsupported in Linux version, or if I just did something stupid. I did verify proper functioning of HID under Linux, using TigerJet utility.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:54 am    Post subject:

Frank Zappa wrote:
What exactly is the overall goal you are trying to accomplish, in other words, why are you wanting to run the MJ under VMWare to begin with? Perhaps there is another solution to accomplish the end you seek.


Well, I thought it was pretty simple really.

1) So far the only "fully" supported MJ platforms were XP and Vista
2) No desire to add another "always on" PC for Home phone service
3) Already have "always on" PC running Linux and VMware (therefore allowing for "fully" supported OS)
4) So: can easily create a minimal Windoze VM to handle MJ for always available phone service that can be remotely controlled and running on a much more stable OS (XP on Linux via VMware which is FAR more stable than XP alone)

5) NOTE: I still want to figure out how to make it work via VMware because my primary laptops are also configured that way and I want to be able to use a "Hardphone" with the Laptops when travelling

6) Remember: The "softphone" IS working -- all I get from the "hardphone" is a high pitched "dialtone" that does not work (Telephone choice is grayed out in MJ menu)

Otherwise, using a SIP device will be acceptable for the "always on" MJ for home use

I hope that is clear.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:02 am    Post subject:

Stewart wrote:
Here's my minimal experience with MJ and Linux:

Ubuntu ships with Ekiga (a.k.a. GnomeMeeting) softphone pre-installed. When configured for YMAX proxy, quality was excellent, using computer headset. Plugged in MJ, all four devices recognized by OS. Pointed Ekiga at TigerJet audio, could then speak and listen using analog phone. Ekiga cannot use TigerJet HID interface, so still had to use computer keyboard for dialing or answering. Also, echo canceller in Ekiga couldn't deal with the high level of electrical echo from TJ device, so had to turn transmit and receive volume way down to avoid severe echo heard by remote party. Perhaps some parameter changes would help.

Made a brief attempt with SJphone. Did not work well with default Ubuntu drivers -- inbound voice was unacceptably choppy with headset or TJ device, even after tweaking buffer sizes, etc. Did not make effort to try alternative sound schemes. HID device did not work, either. I don't know whether TJ is unsupported in Linux version, or if I just did something stupid. I did verify proper functioning of HID under Linux, using TigerJet utility.


Interesting ... I will test it on an Ubuntu Workstation to see how it goes. Then I will try to figure out if it can work with SUSE (the Server); otherwise setup an Ubuntu VM on the Server. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject:

SOLVED here
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