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Cheap Ring
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Joined: 26 Dec 2007
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Location: Dirty South

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:35 pm    Post subject: MagicJack Deniers, Please Go Away!

I was so happy to find out about MagicJack from ClarkHoward.com. I had been searching for a VOIP company that didn't require a long term commitment and high monthly fee. I live with a cell phone all day and don't really need an expensive full time residential line. I could only find one company that could give me a local number in my rural area and they were not very reliable according to their own user's forum. I ordered a MagicJack just out of curiosity and received it 2 days later. Although MJ could not give me a local number, I was able to get a Miami number where most of my friends and family are. It is great that we can call each other toll free. I didn't expect miracles considering the price and the length of time MJ has been in business. The performance of this product has been excellent with only one dropped call in the past month that was probably caused by my wireless router connection.

There seem to be a lot of "Debbie Downers" out there that like to poo-poo MJ because they expected a miracle for $39.95. These people like to kvetch and moan on several forums wherever anyone will listen to their griping. I suppose that they get a kick out of defaming MJ and it's corporate principals. The only thing they accomplish is doing their part to run MJ into the ground by discouraging potential subscribers. If you don't like MJ then return your unit before the trial period runs out and then STFU. If you are bothered by minor bugs then return your unit and check back next year. Until then you can help support Vonage's outrageous advertising budget by sending in your $25 every month. Stop trying to ruin my enjoyment and good deal. Rolling Eyes
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ChuckIL
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject:

I'm glad it works well for you, but there are others that have had issues. Sometimes an issue with getting the jack to work at all with their specific computer hardware and software profiles. Others have issues with some of the assurances and dates given by the founder, which have often proven to be false. Don't be surprised when they complain. MagicJack is just a corporation...a souless entity that exists to achieve profitability, like all other corporations...nothing more...nothing less. Relax a little bit. If it works for you, enjoy it and keep making calls.
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garybritt
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:07 pm    Post subject:

ChuckII, your description of all corporations is so wrong its comical. Corporations aren't a "thing" with its own self-aware consciousness. Corporations are soulless but only because corporations as a "thing" separate and apart from the human beings that work for, own, or interact with others don't exist in the real world. Corporations are a "concept" and naturally concepts don't have souls and don't exist in the real world of physical things.

The reality of corporations is that they are nothing more or less than a group of human beings working together for a common purpose. That group of human beings interacts with other human beings or groups of human beings (their customers and shareholders and suppliers). That group of human beings who work under the label of a corporation name are responsible to a different group of human beings labeled the shareholders of the corporation.

Since a corporation is merely a legal fiction or a concept in the law and not part of the real world of things it can not do or cause to be done anything at all. A corporation's actions are in reality the actions of the human beings who work under that corporate label. The morality of the corporation's actions is in reality the morality of the human beings who work under that corporate label.

Finally, there is nothing wrong with seeking a profit or return for one's efforts. All human beings do this to better themselves and their families. Since corporations are just groups of human beings acting together the morality of their seeking a profit for their labors is just the same as the morality of a day laborer seeking to profit from his/her labor.

Gary
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garybritt
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:14 pm    Post subject:

OH and one last thing. Since corporations don't exist in the real world of things and are in reality just groups of human beings interacting with other human beings, corporations can't pay taxes. Taxes that purport to be levied upon a corporation can only be paid by human beings existing in the real world of things. So a tax on a corporation is in reality a tax on the human beings who work under that corporate name and/or is a tax on the group of human beings who own that corporate label and/or is a tax on the human beings who buy products and services from that corporate group of human beings.

Since only human beings (and not corporations) exist in the real world of things only human beings can line up and pay taxes. Only a human being can deliver that check to the IRS.

Gary

(The above recognizes the truth of same but is not an argument for or against collecting taxes from groups of human beings through a tax that purports to collect taxes from "corporations".)
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laserjobs
Dan Should Pay Me


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:22 pm    Post subject:

Think about the ROBOTS man!!! Its about the ROBOTS
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MagicJacked
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:00 pm    Post subject:

I guess you think money is real?
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garybritt
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject:

Gold exists in the world of real things. Likewise paper money. Balances on a ledger at a bank exist in the world of real things, but money to the extent it isn't a certain quantity of a precious metal or isn't something that represents title/ownership to a certain quantity of a precious metal besides being a real piece of paper or a real ledger entry at a bank is also a social contract among a group of human beings who agree to recognize the money as tender for the acquisition of goods and services. In this sense it is a contract right similar to other kinds of rights established between one or more human beings pursuant to contract.

Gary
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SpamBox
Dan isn't smart enough to hire me


Joined: 14 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject:

We're all in the matrix.

Neo...?

Which pill do you prefer...?

LOL!
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garybritt
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:58 pm    Post subject:

I've always preferred the maroon pills myself Confused

Gary
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xxM5xx
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:30 am    Post subject:

Gary, get a reality check man. A Corporation is a real entity much like any citizen that can break the law, lie, cheat, steal, discriminate, intentionally misrepresent the truth, otherwise harm.......a Corporation can do all the evil things a person can do. Corporations are not simply groups of humans who's personalities all average together in to a homogeneous soup. Sometimes one single person controls the actions of a Corporation, or a small few people at the very top of the Corp. control it.......the people at the middle levels and bottom of the organization (and there can be thousands) have almost zero to do with those actions. I am not anti-business but I understand the goals of business and it is all about making a profit. This is fine but when bad tactics are used to achieve that goal, that is wrong.

I am not anti-business and I am not anti-MagicJack, but if Dan Borislow is the "Captain of the Ship" and he makes statements publicly that build the Corporation's profits (or aids in the Corporations survival when struggling) which later prove to be fantasy, he should be exposed for doing it. I'm not anti-MagicJack but I don't like it when anyone (including a Corporation) promises things to make a sale then doesn't deliver as promised. If what they said was a lie then you got taken for a ride, and the Corporation has your money in exchange for less than they promised to deliver.

Where I come from it is, "say what you are going to do, and then do what you said!" If a person or a Corporation doesn't do that (regardless of why, short of acts of God) then they are not very good citizens. Corporate actions are controlled by the CEO and he has to be accountable for what he says and does and fails to do.

Accountability.... it is a good thing, and everyone should demand it.

There is nothing wrong with making money, even making a whole lot of money providing it is done without misrepresentation to the customer. Operate within the law, provide what you promise and I will be happy regardless of how many Billions of dollars profit is earned.
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garybritt
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:32 am    Post subject:

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A Corporation is a real entity much like any citizen that can break the law, lie, cheat, steal, discriminate, intentionally misrepresent the truth, otherwise harm.......a Corporation can do all the evil things a person can do. Corporations are not simply groups of humans who's personalities all average together in to a homogeneous soup. Sometimes one single person controls the actions of a Corporation, or a small few people at the very top of the Corp. control it.......the people at the middle levels and bottom of the organization (and there can be thousands) have almost zero to do with those actions. I am not anti-business but I understand the goals of business and it is all about making a profit. This is fine but when bad tactics are used to achieve that goal, that is wrong.


I didn't say a corporation wasn't a real legal entity, I said it is a concept that has no existence in the real world of things, which it doesn't. Just because the law "pretends" that it has "real existence" doesn't make it real.

You can't touch a corporation. You can't point at it like you can a building or a human being a say "look there it is. There's the corporation". You can't do this because a corporation is a thought, a concept, it has no real existence in the world of physical things.

When a corporation is said to be dishonest, or to have stolen something, etc., its NOT the corporation that did these things "in reality" it is one or more human beings who under the corporate name that have done these things. A corporation can take no action and can do nothing at all. It takes a human being to perform the action, good or bad, because only a human beings and NOT corporations exist in the real world.

Yes its true that corporations of large size may be controlled by a few human beings at the top, but that does not in any way change the reality that the corporation is just a concept and that it can do nothing or take no action on its own. A corporation's actions must in all instances be the actions of one or more human beings because only human beings exist in the real world of tangible things. Corporations can not do or cause to be done anything in the world of real tangible things on their own.

Even low level human beings that work under a corporate name can do unethical and dishonest things to other employees and to customers. One doesn't have to be in control of the corporation to contribute to its overall morality or lack thereof. The corporation itself is just a thought, a concept, that has no existence or capability of action outside of the actions of real live human beings.

Think of it this way. Name for me one thing. Just one thing that a "corporation" can do that does NOT require a human being to actually do it. If you can name one thing a corporation can do or even conceive of doing that doesn't require the action or inaction of at least one real live human being, I'll reconsider my posts on this. If you can't then you need to reconsider your level of understanding of what a "corporation" really is in the world of real tangible things.

Another test. Show me a picture of a "corporation". Don't show me a picture of a building, because that is showing me a building not a "corporation". Don't show me a picture of a name printed on a piece of paper because that is showing me a piece of paper with ink or marks of some kind on it. Don't show me a picture of the corporate officers of a corporation because that is just showing me a picture of a group of human beings. Show me a picture of a "corporation" itself. You won't be able to, and the reason you won't be able to is because corporations don't exist in the world of real tangible things. Only human beings are real, and a corporation's actions are nothing but the actions of one or more human beings. If the corporation is immoral or criminal its because one or more human beings acted in an immoral or criminal way. A corporation can do nothing in the real world because it doesn't exist in the real world.

Gary (firmly gripped in the real world)
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snowigloo
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:46 am    Post subject:

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digitalnomad
Dan isn't smart enough to hire me


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject:

You guys have me rolling on the floor. What a funny string of forum posts. I have to agree with the original post.

Get a grip and give these guys a chance. It's in beta and only costs you 6 cents a day. Ha

I wonder if Alexander Graham Bell went through all of this.
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