checking to see if your phone is tapped!

Makebelieve · Post by **Makebelieve** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:52 pm

Does anyone know how to check to see if your phone is tapped.
My phone acts very strangley.

ret27m · Post by **ret27m** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:57 pm

lol why would you think your phone might be tapped? you can buy devices that will alert you to a tap, I dont know if they would work on a MJ tho.

davrow · Post by **davrow** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:41 pm

Get 'em for about 11 bucks on eBay : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %26ps%3D42

az2008 · Post by **az2008** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:11 pm

ret27m wrote:lol why would you think your phone might be tapped?

He's probably the governor of Illinois.

Mark

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:20 pm

In addition to more traditional wire taps, make sure your network is secure. Its easy to record calls using a freeware app called Cain if they have access to your local area network (i.e insecure wireless).

kumar · Post by **kumar** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:16 pm

Yeah.. theres even a post on the forums on recording calls with the MJ. Its super easy to record calls with it, so like stroths said.. you may want to check it out..

Kumar

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:15 am

Wire Taps can only be detected if it is between your house and the first CO. After that the world can tap in and even the Telco would have trouble finding those.

and that $11 dollar gadget is only good enough to catch one of the neighbor hood kids, certainly not anyone you would be worried about, they can afford the good equipment and you will never know they are listening - trust me.

This reminds me of a friend I have that goes ballistic evertime I say I have to make a drug run for my mother which is short hand for I have to pick up some prescription medications for my mother at Costco.

He saw one of those shows that talks about the NSC (or something like that) with their Cray computers that listen to all electronic communications for particular buzz words and lock in when someone says they are going to blow up something or make a drug run. He just knows I am going to get his name on some "lets monitor this guy" list.

And in closing Mr. Makebelieve (interesting screen name) if you are discussing anything on the Internet, Telephone, Cell phone or yelling over the backyard fence and it is ileagal you had better consider two cans and a string or you will get caught.

And if that is not the case who cares if someone knows if I am ordering a vibrator - "For my stiff.... "Drum roll to add a little drama" neck.

dan · Post by **dan** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:37 am

wire taps.. When I hear that I think of traditional POTS lines.

for VOIP calls you have to snoop on the UDP packets. and then convert to RTP. so yes someone connecting to your unsecure wireless router would be able to do this..

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:09 pm

dan wrote:wire taps.. When I hear that I think of traditional POTS lines.

for VOIP calls you have to snoop on the UDP packets. and then convert to RTP. so yes someone connecting to your unsecure wireless router would be able to do this..

Dan,

I was helping someone that uses as they put it free wireless until I discovered what was being call free wireless was unsecured wireless home networks. The first time I remotely logged on to this persons machine (in a retirement community) I was totally taken back by the number and signal strength of the unsecured wireless access points. Eavesdropping on phone calls was the least of their problems. They were inadvertently sharing their financial, personal and God knows what else with the world (or at least a several block radius for someone like the person that I was helping that had an outside directional high gain Yagi.

I just stopped helping this person when I realized what was being done. There was no intent to steal anything from these people except free broadband access and to this day I don't know if this person really realized just what they were doing by helping them selves to "free wireless" as they put it.

Anyway I am off on a tangent again, the only reason I jumped in this may-lay in the first place is because of that friend that I mentioned that is so paranoid that the government is listening in on him that sometimes he actually pushes me to the point of getting angry. Like the last time he asked me to stop using the word drugs when referring to my mothers medications.

I got so damn mad I told him while we have been friends for over twenty years you are not that much fun to talk to in the first place and if you are now going to attempt to control my vocabulary I would just as soon not talk to you at all. Well so far my bluntness seemed to have worked because he no longer tries to choose my words for me when we are on his wire taped cell phone.

davrow · Post by **davrow** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:04 pm

and that $11 dollar gadget is only good enough to catch one of the neighbor hood kids

HolmanGT, I think you are being generous. I don't think it works at all.

With many selling for 250 -1500, 11 is surely junk. Kind of why I listed it...

I probably should have given him the solution I use... make and wear a hat out of tinfoil. Then they can't use their thought wave control devices on me!

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:34 pm

davrow wrote:
and that $11 dollar gadget is only good enough to catch one of the neighbor hood kids
HolmanGT, I think you are being generous. I don't think it works at all.

With many selling for 250 -1500, 11 is surely junk. Kind of why I listed it...

I probably should have given him the solution I use... make and wear a hat out of tinfoil. Then they can't use their thought wave control devices on me!

davrow,

Their you go with the tinfoil hat thing again - I am really beginning to wonder about you. I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt at the moment and assume you watched "Signs" starring Mel Gibson one too many times.

PS - However, the tinfoil does work.

dan · Post by **dan** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:04 pm

One way to be a little more secure is to chagne your codec from G711 to G729 compressed RTP. Now you can decode G729 but little harder to do.

I can tell you that I work at a huge voip backbone company and I have never heard of any agency requesting audio call traps.

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:16 pm

dan wrote:One way to be a little more secure is to chagne your codec from G711 to G729 compressed RTP. Now you can decode G729 but little harder to do.

I can tell you that I work at a huge voip backbone company and I have never heard of any agency requesting audio call traps.

I know nothing of the inner works of VOIP but you can't just change codecs on and MJ and still have it work - Can you?

PS - Your name is Dan and you work for a huge voip backbone company... Hmmm, your last name doesn't start with a "B" does it?

dan · Post by **dan** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:23 pm

No my last name doesnt start with a B

NO the current MJ USB device does not have the options for g729 but you can move the configs to another device that does suport g729

davrow · Post by **davrow** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:34 pm

Another really great solution would be to only use sign language during your phone calls.

No one tapping your phone could understand a word you said!

Of course, no one else could either, but that is a pretty small price to pay for privacy.