Modem calls via MJ

[jonpod]

I have tried to find if someone else posted about this, but could not see any. You guys sure seem to be better at understanding things than MJ support, so hoping someone can help me here. Sorry for the long post, but it's kind of hard to properly make clear what I'm trying to do.

First, I *do* know that MJ needs a high-speed net connection. I am not trying to make MJ work using a dial up connection from the MJ computer. What I am trying to do is: from the MJ computer, unplug the phone RJ11 from MJ and plug in a laptop with RJ11 from laptop modem to the MJ's RJ11, so that a call can be made from this laptop computer using it's modem to make the call.

I know it's archaic, but I still need to make this occasional modem/dialup connection from the laptop. I don't want to argure about "why"; just take it as part of the given conditions.

One would *think* this could work....MJ provides fine quality phone connections, and using the laptop to dialup just needs a phone connection, so why not try? And all the modem sounds and dialing and so on seem to go just like they do normally, the beeps and handshakes or whatever is done in connecting a dialup connection proceed just fine (as I hear it through the modem speakers)....BUT, it just never seems to complete the connection and log on to the dialup service.

First I thought, well, MJ being VOIP maybe that has some technological reason it would not work on a dial up call. But a Vonage VOIP phone line, CAN make the same call and works just fine. I tried it several times on a friends Vonage, and always worked. But on MJ it never works.

Anyone else ever try this or get it to work?

[netstat]

Just an educated guess here, but i think it is something similar to the MJ fax issue. Problem would seem to be that the connection just isn't crystal clear enough for modem/fax communications at full speed.

I know for faxing people on here have recommended lowering your connection speed to 9600 and turning error correction off, I would assume that the same would apply to your modem connection.

It'll be slow as dirt, but I think it will probably work for you.

-Rob

[jonpod]

Thanks. I tried 9600 with no error correction, same results.
Also there were settings for "no modem compression" and "hardware flow control", and turning those off one at a time and all together made no difference either.

I don't even have a fax machine to try, so I can't tell if I would have the same issues as those posters or not.

Surely, hopefully, there will be someone else out there who has tried to dialup into something using their MJ and can share how.

[crackerjack]

Thanks. I tried 9600 with no error correction, same results.
Also there were settings for "no modem compression" and "hardware flow control", and turning those off one at a time and all together made no difference either.

I don't even have a fax machine to try, so I can't tell if I would have the same issues as those posters or not.

Surely, hopefully, there will be someone else out there who has tried to dialup into something using their MJ and can share how.

The only way I have been able to successfully effect a modem dial out is to use an ATA where you will have greater control over the transmission parameters.
Suggest a PAP2-NA

CAVEAT:This is against the MJ TOS, fwiw

[netstat]

I'll give it a try when I get home tonight ... hopefully I'm able to give you more useful information

[jonpod]

The only way I have been able to successfully effect a modem dial out is to use an ATA where you will have greater control over the transmission parameters.
Suggest a PAP2-NA

CAVEAT:This is against the MJ TOS, fwiw

OK, I'm pretty good on some of the jargon, but not ATA and PAP2-NA.

But if this is true:
ATA:
Analog telephony adapter, a device for connecting analog telephones to a Voice-over-IP system. Specific models include PAP2T-NA and RTP300.

Then is not MJ itself an ATA? It connects RJ11 phone to VOIP, right?

[netstat]

there is a thread starting with some of the jargony kinda lingo here
http://www.phoneservicesupport.com/stic ... t6136.html

By ATA he was referring to an actual network appliance like a VoIP router where you will have more control over all the settings, the MJ itself will not allow you to have that level of control.

[jonpod]

OK. That RTP one also seems to be like an equipment with Vonage or something, and I surely don't want to get that AND MJ. I already know if I get Vonage, I CAN do these modem calls, with no fancy settings needed or any configurations.

The only point was if MJ can do it.

[macman4hire]

jonpod I believe the point most of the forum members were attempting to make was that the magic service portion can be used an ATA (RTP300, PAP2 HandyTone 486, etc.). I have tried to using the modem to connect to a dial up service and was not able to get it work by using the MagicJack dongle(box). jonpod you should remember this forum is intended to document solutions to MagicJack users problems. The solution offered unfortunately did not your criteria for using the particular hardware you wanted to use but offered a possible alternative for members who are willing to use different hardware to obtain the desired result of using a computer modem with MagicJack service. Members would be remiss if they did not offer such a solution using different hardware and the quality of the forum would suffer. Remember the majority of the forum members here use their free time to offer solutions to improve the MagicJack users experience. Good luck with finding a solution for using the modem with the MagicJack dongle and please it when and if you find it!

[jonpod]

I was not meaning to convey I was upset with any of the posters. I guess I have some ignorance on the "alternate hardware" matters.

How could you use the MJ service without MJ hardware? I guess that's maybe what I'm missing, if that is what was referred to.

But I also wondered, with all the people here with so much experience, first to find out even if anyone knew for sure this WAS or WAS NOT possible what I want to do. Then maybe a bit more about it, etc.

[perkinsg]

This thread is kinda old, but I see no one posted anything definitive, so thought I'd throw my two cents in.

I've tried for a long time to find a combination of items that will "definitely work". Unfortunately, as others have stated, there is just not enough control over the settings.

Ideally, you would want a VOIP service that provides support for "Quality of Service" protocol. This is why services like Vonage work. When Vonage generates traffic, it sets up the IP packets so that they are RUSHED out the door (and everything along the way tries to do the same). Incoming packets are RUSHED back in. So there's very little lag with those services.

With Magicjack, so many things can go wrong to affect your quality of service. First, the program doesn't run on the dongle, it runs on your computer; thus, it's susceptible to other programs eating up CPU power, low RAM, and so on. Then, with no QoS, any other traffic on your internet connection can affect it (and anything along the way -- too much YouTube in the pipes, so to speak).

Now, the ONLY time I've been able to connect to another computer was dialing up a BBS at *300 baud*. And even at 300 I had "line noise" (and that was if the sysop even ALLOWED 300 baud callers). The only way I was even able to get this to work was to force the modem down to 300, which is rather complicated.

So, hope this explains things for anyone interested! Hopefully one day MagicJack will allow support for modem calls (QoS). Heck, it'd help to have that just for faxing -- which, btw, is easiest if you set up your fax machine for "overseas mode", or at least that's what it's called in my Brother MFC-295CN. Guess it sets it for low-speed to allow for the lag. Even then it's iffy.

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