***New Mods T5730 a Dual-Core 64-bit CPU & PCIe G-card

momo · Post by **momo** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:00 pm

I know you're not making it, since you ordered one made already.

But I just wanted to show how simple it is to make.
Here's a dual fan controller I made for another project, years ago...
and it still works.

Regulator circuit top
http://i.imgur.com/8tOBb4m.jpg

Regulator circuit bottom
http://i.imgur.com/FuXTmgG.jpg

The IC's on the heat-sinks are the fan controllers.
The two other IC's were separate voltage regulators for other areas of the project.

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:06 pm

Yea I think I will just roll with the $4 one as it will be easier for me.

I took the metal top off of the case and just put the expansion module on it to see if it would provide more air with the factory fan and the CPU is at 68* C while playing TV. I did have it freeze up on me a little while ago after it had been on for almost a hour while switching between WMC and XBMC. I am hoping if I just get a fan in there and cool everything down a good bit it will fix everything and not make it to loud.
According to this my max operating temp of my CPU is 100*C and I am well under that.
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Tu ... M23GG.html

momo · Post by **momo** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:10 pm

T5735 wrote:Yea I think I will just roll with the $4 one as it will be easier for me. I took the metal top off of the case and just put the expansion module on it to see if it would provide more air with the factory fan and the CPU is at 68* C while playing TV. I did have it freeze up on me a little while ago after it had been on for almost a hour while switching between WMC and XBMC. I am hoping if I just get a fan in there and cool everything down a good bit it will fix everything and not make it to loud.

I can say for sure...you'll be amazed at how much cooler a fan will make it, if it's moving enough air.

If the 3.5 inch fan isn't enough ...look for a 4 inch one, and see what the ideal voltage is.

You may find you'll need to operate it at 6.5 volts rather than 5 volts, but it still won't be too noisy.

The fan I use is a Panasonic Pana-flow. It floats on a cushion of internal liquid.
It's really quiet running at 5 to 6 volts.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835180019

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:03 am

Hello everyone, I just joined and was hoping someone could shed some light on a problem I am having with my GT7725. After a full install of Win7/64bit, and updating. I run windows exp. index. and can only achieve 2.9-3.1 on the CPU score. I did not get the power supply that comes with this TC, but have a psu that is rated 19v/7.9a providing more than enough power.
I also bought a T5730 and installed an AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-64 @2.2Ghz. After a full install and update of Win7/64, I get a CPU score of 4.9. Almost double the GT7725's AMD Turion X2 Ultra Dual-Core ZM-84 @2.3Ghz.
I have already tried the msconfig trick of enabling both cores with no change.
The only time I have ever had this kind of issue was with an old Dell laptop that would not enable the full speed of the CPU because the psu I was using was not OEM.
On a side note, I have a couple T5720s and have successfully upgraded the cpu with a pair of AMD Athlon MP AXDA2800DKV4C running @2.13Ghz. It scored 3.6 on the index...
And an HP T510 w/wifi... no way to upgrade the cpu in this thing...

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:11 am

I never really though about it but I just went and looked and my CPU is only at 3.1 as well. When I use my monitoring programs though it shows both CPU's as being used but the 1st one gets hit a whole lot harder than the second one.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:14 am

[quote="T5735"]I never really though about it but I just went and looked and my CPU is only at 3.1 as well. When I use my monitoring programs though it shows both CPU's as being used but the 1st one gets hit a whole lot harder than the second one.[/quote]
I am glad it isn't just my machine that is showing this lack of power in the index. The strange thing is these cpus are supposed to achieve 4.2-5.7 in the index. I will try and find the link showing that.
http://www.drivermax.com/driver/vista-r ... uScore=Any

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:20 am

I will have to do a experience index on my T5735 and see what it says but I just did it on mine again and it is still coming up as 3.1.
http://i.imgur.com/1Q7UsxM.jpg

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:30 am

Just so I know it isn't a psu issue can you tell me if you have the OEM psu for your GT7725? Rated @ 18.5v/6.5a?

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:40 am

My score reads, 3.1, 4.6, 4.1, 5.1, 3.9 Odd that my video score is slightly better. I'm using the onboard graphics. [quote="T5735"]I will have to do a experience index on my T5735 and see what it says but I just did it on mine again and it is still coming up as 3.1.
http://i.imgur.com/1Q7UsxM.jpg[/quote]

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:14 pm

Yea I am using the factory PSU on it. It is a huge brick compared to the one that comes with the T5730. I am also using the on board graphics with the latest legacy ati catalyst drivers.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:21 pm

The full score on the T5730 is 4.9, 4.9, 2.1, 3.2, 4.3
I find it so strange that the slower older cpu and ram score better than the faster cpu and ram.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:31 pm

It really makes me wonder what horse pucky AMD has put out there...
http://www.drivermax.com/driver/vista-r ... uScore=Any

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:00 pm

I messed around with my GT7720 last night and I do think it is using both full cores after looking at a few different hardware monitors. I wonder if the different rating is because the Turion is supposed to be a much better on power mobile processor instead of the Athlon X2?

momo · Post by **momo** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:41 pm

@Wheezer
And @T5735

Could it be, your CPU score on the GT7725 will go higher if you have dual-channel RAM activated?

My TL-68 doesn't mention it supports a dual-channel RAM controller, but your Ultra Turion CPU does.
It may make a difference with two 400MHz (800 MHz) same RAM chips.

I did a Win Exp Index on my Windows 8.1 Pro 64 ... Using a third party Graphic user interface to it...here's my results.
I have an experiment planned to get the Gaming Graphics higher, T5735 knows about.

http://i.imgur.com/QbqjP0P.jpg

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:54 pm

I just looked and it appears that my ram is not running in dual channel. I used CPU-Z to look it isn't listing anything where it should be listing it as running dual channel. My ram sticks are identical to each other as you can see by the different pictures of slot 1 and 2. I wonder if there is some sort of setting in the bios I need to change to allow it to run dual channel? I might not mess with it as I have it running perfect now.
http://i.imgur.com/DyroUC0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s9IqlTv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/E5cHobd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sSz6Lzq.jpg

momo · Post by **momo** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:23 pm

@T5735

Yup, I've read on systems supporting dual-channel RAM there IS a BIOS 'switch' to enable it.

I don't know what it's called, but with your familiarity with I.T. stuff,
I'm sure you can notice a new option in the BIOS list.

I also notice, you're not using the fastest RAM you can PC2-6400 (800 MHz) running at 400 MHz

That may slow-down the rating index too.

Just curious, what version BIOS are you using? Have you updated?

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:27 pm

Yea I posted about updating to the newest bios a few posts back. I will have to look into that tomorrow. Right now I have it running really well and am watching the football game.

momo · Post by **momo** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:30 pm

T5735 wrote:Yea I posted about updating to the newest bios a few posts back. I will have to look into that tomorrow. Right now I have it running really well and am watching the football game.

LOL
yeah...enjoy.

These systems are really nice when they're updated, and NOT needed (wasted) for the MagicJack.
I like mine just as much as you like your new toy.

Good-night..!

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:41 pm

I forgot to even post what the problem was with mine. My Windows Media Center which I use to watch live cable tv has to have the DVR function enabled in order to work but what I didn't realize was when I am using the thin client itself as a network tuned pc that all of the DVR content is stored locally on that machine. So it was using the little 64gb ssd as the buffer while I was watching live tv and I think it was just to much on it. I used a old 2.5' 5400 rpm 500gb drive hooked up via a cheap Chinese USB enclosure as a DVR storage drive on it and now it is working flawlessly. I can switch between watching live HD TV with all of my channels to XBMC and back with no problems. I used my infrared thermometer on it and the heat sink is only 34*C at the hottest part.

momo · Post by **momo** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:53 am

Wow, that's great it's solved.
34*C is a big difference from what it was

You're still using the 64GB SSD as your system C drive right?
With the USB external as a 'scratch' disk for the video buffer?

Amazing simple fix.

I also have a test, of my other theory, concluded. I'll PM you.

momo · Post by **momo** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:47 am

OK...as an update to this issue
To everyone reading this thread, who's interested in this multi-session USB ISO Booter utility...

I was able to find a work-around that 'fixed' the Active File Recovery Enterprise 64 ISO not loading the registration key, when booted in the YUMI Booter.

Still using the GRUB option...
Afterwards...
I simply copied the registration key into 3 areas on the flash drive.

1- into the flash drives root directory
2- into the MultiBoot/ISOS folder
3- into the MultiBoot/ActiveBootDisk folder where the USB Booter program created a folder for the ActiveFileRecovery program.

I don't know which one of these 3 made it load the BootKey text when loading the ISO,
but it works, and even the developer of the program wanted to know about it

He got back to me yesterday, and said he couldn't help me because he didn't have a key-file to test with...
...so I just tested stuff myself, then told him I found a work-around, and he wanted to know which folders I put the key into, so he may be able to figure-out what and why it's working like that.

anyway...I like the program again (YUMI Multi-session USB ISO Booter)
maybe the developer will fix what made it not work under normal mode.

...maybe be one day I'll see which actual folder made it boot with the registration info,

but for now, I'm happy with it this way.

EDITED...
I see he made an update, as of today Oct.31st 2014
I don't know if he added a fix for the other issue as yet,
but this is a recent update, anyway.

YUMI-2.0.1.2.exe – October 30, 2014 – Changelog
Update to support Linpus Lite, mintyMac, and ESET SysRescue. Fix AntiX. Enable checkbox to Show All ISO Files.
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multi ... b-creator/

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momo wrote: As as it turns out...this utility is nice but has several problems.

With some ISO files it strips the license key out, that is, the info from the legitimate key, and sees it as a non-registered version of the software.

With one of the ISO's I was able to have it boot using GRUB, and it fixed that issue (Acronis True Image Premium 2014)
But with another, (Active File Recovery Enterprise 64-Bit edition) nothing I do changes the fact that even though the key shows in the ISO within the bootable USB drive, when the program is booted, it doesn't see it as registered, and comes up asking for the registration info.

Even if I click the BootKey that's within the folder of the directory, it sees it without the registration info.
Looking inside the ISO of that program, using MagicISO, the key shows the correct registration information.

I'm also able to retrieve it from the 'C' drive of the actual program folder it's on, while booted in the ISO, and then the program continues to load with the proper registration info, but if the drive ever craps out, that key may not be accessible.

I sent an eMail to the developer, mentioning these two issues, and will see if I ever get an answer.
meanwhile, I'm still looking for a Multi-Session USB ISO booting utility that doesn't work Half-assed.

Oh well... Just when I thought I found the greatest thing since sliced bread.

momo wrote:For the times when you DO have an ISO,
or the original DVD or CD to pull the files from (and have made an ISO)

I found a USB Booter program that let's you make MULTI-bootable sessions from ISO files, and have it install on a USB stick...
It creates and shows a choice menu when all the Bootable ISO's are installed, for you to choose what ISO is going to bootup.

I've tried it with my Windows 8.1 Pro64 ISO - a FatDog64 Linux ISO - and an Acronis True Image 2014 Premium ISO.
All are shown in the menu, to boot from, and ALL work, just like booting from a CD

there are 2 best versions. .. the 'older' v2.0.0.6 --
http://pendrivelinux.com/downloads/YUMI ... .0.0.6.exe

-- and the 'newer' v2.0.1.0
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/downloads/ ... .0.1.0.exe

*** Depending on your ISO, you may need to use the older version, instead of the new one. ***
My Acronis True Image ISO wasn't seen by the newer version, as the other two were, but the older one created another boot option on the stick, and still worked with the others put on by the newer version.

It's wild..! ....
... Here's the main page to show you how to use it... yumi-multiboot-usb-creator
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multi ... b-creator/

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:37 pm

That is really cool you got the multi boot program to work. That can be a useful tool when working with these things. I went and looked in my bios and there is no setting to change to enable the memory to be dual channel or at least none that I can see.

It really doesn't matter though as the system works perfect the way it is regardless.

momo · Post by **momo** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:50 pm

T5735 wrote:That is really cool you got the multi boot program to work. That can be a useful tool when working with these things. I went and looked in my bios and there is no setting to change to enable the memory to be dual channel or at least none that I can see. It really doesn't matter though as the system works perfect the way it is regardless.

Yeah, I'm very happy I got all the ISO's to boot properly.
I've wanted a utility like this for years.

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I've looked online again, for the answer about dual-channel memory,
that may help in your case (I don't know for sure)
But, someone also had no BIOS option seen, to enable dual-channel,
and was answered why their Dell isn't showing it's in Dual-channel mode.
They also said it's usually built into the mobo, either it has it or it don't.
Usually, no bios setting for it,
(I thought I saw someone say there was, on a different site)

This person said; ...'the number of chips on the module makes a difference...'
I'll put the link later, but here's the text of the helpful best answer...

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Best solution
T_T - Memory August 4, 2011 1:15:58 AM

The DDR generations of RAM are 64-bit wide addresses for non-server RAM. DIMMs are built using "×4" (by 4) memory chips or "×8" (by 8 ) memory chips with 8 DRAM chips per side. "×4" or "×8" refer to the data width of the DRAM chips in bits.

The term "Rank" means the collective amount of DRAM chips per side; whereas the term "Bank" identifies how many "grids" per chip.

So, assuming that all sticks are double sided with a x8 organization, the one stick being reported as 1 Rank, 8 Banks has 8 chips on each side. Each of these 8 chips would have a 4-bit-wide data bus, and the 8 4-bit chips have 8 grids. The other three would have 8 DRAM chips on each side, with each chip 8-bits wide, but only 4 grids.

What this effectively means is that the lone 1-8 has only one 64-bit side to read/write from, while the three 2-4's have two 64-bit sides to read/write from.

Dual channel technology allows up to 128-bit data transfers, but if one stick only has 64 bits to address, then this certainly would explain why the pair of PNY sticks will not work in dual channel mode.
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I posted this on this thread, several pages ago, also.

---Here's the main link to the dual-channel answer page---
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/29475 ... el-working

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Some other answer, on another site...
http://www.computing.net/answers/hardwa ... 86304.html

Fingers - July 4, 2012 at 05:43:19
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Look into the OTHER specs on the memory, if the timings are not compatible or the voltages are different, they may be causing the issue. If the memory modules have other optional timings or you want to try the 'looser' timing of the two sets, then you will need to manually set your BIOS. If the voltages are different by a couple of tenths, try in between or the higher of the two voltages.

momo · Post by **momo** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:07 am

One other factor that MAY affect it,
maybe you need the full 400 MHz (800 MHz) RAM speed PC2-6400 modules.

This is just speculation too, but your CPUs specs actually mention it supports dual-channel at 400 MHz (800 MHz) speed modules.

Maybe because your modules are 333 MHz (667 MHz) it's not 'kicking in'?

If it's truly automatic, governed by the timing or voltage of the modules, it may make sense.

Don't kill the messenger...I'm just guessing..

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:47 pm

I put in two 1gb PC6400 sticks in today and it did exactly the same thing and did not list it as being dual channel. It doesn't really matter I just wanted to test it out to see what would happen.

momo · Post by **momo** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:23 pm

T5735 wrote:I put in two 1gb PC6400 sticks in today and it did exactly the same thing and did not list it as being dual channel. It doesn't really matter I just wanted to test it out to see what would happen.

Do both modules have 4 or 8 chips on each side?
Apparently, that's the other possible cause. (From that first quote I posted)
8 chips per side...yadda...yadda...yadda...

(see that quote if you care)

If it still doesn't kick-into dual-channel mode, after that...
I wouldn't be surprised if the motherboard is wired for normal single channel RAM,
similar to all the other Thin clients

and HP lied.

The specs of your GT7725 shows it's dual-channel, so...I don't know what's needed to activate it.
Anyway...it's working nicely for you, so...

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:27 am

I have tried 2 matching 2 gig sticks PC2-5300 with 8 chips each side and 2 matching 1 gig sticks PC2-6400 with 4 chips each side and it appears that the system board is unable to to utilize both channels.

HP YOU LIE!!!

momo · Post by **momo** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:46 pm

Wheezer wrote:I have tried 2 matching 2 gig sticks PC2-5300 with 8 chips each side and 2 matching 1 gig sticks PC2-6400 with 4 chips each side and it appears that the system board is unable to to utilize both channels.
HP YOU LIE!!!

Wow, HP lied...go figure..!

Looks like a class-action law-suit is in their future if they can't show how dual-channel mode is activated on the GT7725

I'd like to hear their explanation if they can't prove it's dual-channel capable.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:04 am

Just so no one makes this mistake again. I spaced and plugged in the GT7725 pci-e riser into the T5730 and booted with the ATI FireMX 2250 video card. It didn't post.

Now when I plug the riser and video card into the GT7725 I get video through the card but windows does not see it.(strange)

The T5730 still works and I've ordered the expansion and riser for it.

momo · Post by **momo** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:40 am

Wheezer wrote:Just so no one makes this mistake again. I spaced and plugged in the GT7725 pci-e riser into the T5730 and booted with the ATI FireMX 2250 video card. It didn't post.

Now when I plug the riser and video card into the GT7725 I get video through the card but windows does not see it.(strange)

The T5730 still works and I've ordered the expansion and riser for it.

Uh..Oh..!
Odd that you did this, by accident.
I was discussing whether the two risers were interchangeable, with T5735 in a PM with him, and concluded they were not.
I guess you just proved it.

You may have either popped a circuit-board trace on the riser, or small resistor on it.
Do you smell any burnt circuitry? Or see any small amount of smoke from it when you tried booting?

The only way to tell if the graphics board is not the issue, is to try it on another working computer that likes x16 cards...

T5735 posted photos of his riser card, front and back, so you'll be able to compare it to yours for any damaged areas.

If you can't find the links in this thread, I'll see where they are for you and edit this post.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:40 pm

I do not think anything is damaged on the riser. No burnt traces or burnt smell. The video card may be a different story though. It was near death when I received it and what I did to it I do not think helped it in any way.

I've ordered a T5730/35 pci riser and expansion chassis on the 28th. I am curious about how long it took them to get yours to you Momo?

Anyone contact HP with our class action suit?

momo · Post by **momo** » Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:22 pm

Wheezer wrote:I do not think anything is damaged on the riser. No burnt traces or burnt smell. The video card may be a different story though. It was near death when I received it and what I did to it I do not think helped it in any way.

Were you able to try that GT7725 riser and g-board on your GT7725 to verify?

Wheezer wrote: I've ordered a T5730/35 pci riser and expansion chassis on the 28th. I am curious about how long it took them to get yours to you Momo?

I ordered it twice. Once from Canada using eBay, it took 30 days

Customs slowed it down.
The 2nd one from America on an eBay auction too.
Came in around 5 to 7 days later.

Where'd you order yours from?

Wheezer wrote: Anyone contact HP with our class action suit?

Yeah...I checked, and from my understanding, the memory controller is built into the CPU. The CPU Specs of the GT7725, specifically shows it supports Dual-Channel RAM
So...if HP never wired the RAM modules differently, to conform to the specs needed for dual-channel ram, and used the same basic design for all the ThinClient models... I'd say they deserve what customers legally do to them, for making a selling-point of that model supporting dual-channel ram as a feature of the GT7725

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:11 pm

I asked T5735 in a PM and he gave me the link that was posted earlier in this thread to getpartsforless.com. I called the # and left a message with John' asking for an ETA on the item. Considering I live less then 100 miles from the seller I am hoping it comes very soon.

I haven't messed with the GT7725 since discovering it will not support dual channel ram.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:19 pm

Looks like getpartsforless.com is a scam site... I may be driving up to 665 E Jericho Turnpike, Huntington Station, NY and ringing this guy Johnafem's neck.

momo · Post by **momo** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:13 pm

Wheezer wrote:Looks like getpartsforless.com is a scam site... I may be driving up to 665 E Jericho Turnpike, Huntington Station, NY and ringing this guy Johnafem's neck.

Uh oh...what'd they do?

985ach · Post by **985ach** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:41 am

I've been following this thread for a while and like the look of everything that's been done and modded.

I'm aiming to turn mine into a little a small proxy / web filter box The children are coming to that age or curiousness...
I've got a 44 IDE to SATA connector coming and I'm planning to put in a 128GB SATA SSD. I guess I won't see the true performance it though but It'll run cooler

Looked everywhere for a riser / expansion part to no avail and ended up buying a second t5730 from eBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-T5730-Thin ... 418987d606 though I'm still waiting for it to come,
Ordered it 3rd Nov, Its coming through eBay's international shipping program so the import taxes have already been paid for $11.28 and postage at $22.39 I don't think it came in at too bad a price totalling $66.66 or £43.

momo · Post by **momo** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:49 am

Hi 985ach, welcome to the thread.

I looked at that auction page. They didn't mention IF it also comes with a PCIe riser card. All I see mentioned is, it comes with the PCI riser.

Normally, it has two riser cards. 1 PCI and 1 PCIe x1 riser for graphics cards.
In case you wanted to use another PCIe graphics card, and modify the x1 PCIe riser to accept a x16 card later-on...there's no mention of it in this auction.

If you have no plans to do that, it doesn't much matter.

Do you plan to use another CPU, or will it be for your children, as it is?

The auction also mentioned it doesn't come with a power supply pack.
I hope you have one to use already.

985ach wrote:I've been following this thread for a while and like the look of everything that's been done and modded.

I'm aiming to turn mine into a little a small proxy / web filter box The children are coming to that age or curiousness...
I've got a 44 IDE to SATA connector coming and I'm planning to put in a 128GB SATA SSD. I guess I won't see the true performance it though but It'll run cooler

Looked everywhere for a riser / expansion part to no avail and ended up buying a second t5730 from eBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-T5730-Thin ... 418987d606 though I'm still waiting for it to come,
Ordered it 3rd Nov, Its coming through eBay's international shipping program so the import taxes have already been paid for $11.28 and postage at $22.39 I don't think it came in at too bad a price totalling $66.66 or £43.

985ach · Post by **985ach** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:35 am

momo wrote:Hi 985ach, welcome to the thread.

Thanks very much

momo wrote: I looked at that auction page. They didn't mention IF it also comes with a PCIe riser card. All I see mentioned is, it comes with the PCI riser.

Normally, it has two riser cards. 1 PCI and 1 PCIe x1 riser for graphics cards.
In case you wanted to use another PCIe graphics card, and modify the x1 PCIe riser to accept a x16 card later-on...there's no mention of it in this auction.

If you have no plans to do that, it doesn't much matter.

I just mainly need a second NIC for proxy/ web filtering, one in, one out. I did try a generic USB one but found that was quite ropey so ended up giving up on it but once it arrives and I get chance to look at it I'll update

My option at the moment are Untangle Lite, Smoothwall Express or WinGate (Free 3 Client Version)

momo wrote: Do you plan to use another CPU, or will it be for your children, as it is?

Maybe in the future when it gets retired as a web filter, I may then set up it as a media streamer running something like Plex or Air Video Server.

momo wrote: The auction also mentioned it doesn't come with a power supply pack.
I hope you have one to use already.

I have one from my first one I bought, it looks like a fairly generic AC/DC adapter rated at 12V 5A output.
I have a 32GB DOM for it and 2GB RAM (has any one tried a single 4GB stick or has 2GB per slot been confirmed?) which I managed to install Win7 64Bit Enterprise, I also added an 8GB USB stick and set it up as a 6GB pagefile area to keep as much space on the DOM as possible

985ach · Post by **985ach** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:18 am

Good news for me, My 44pin IDE to SATA adapter turned up today

Bad News 1, it covers the end of the expansion slot so I'm going to have to get a male to female ribbon cable...

Bad News 2, it looks like my BIOS battery has died on my original unit (still waiting for the second one to come) resulting in no display output or any response to the power button.. Grrr a quick Google too me to a HP forum where this was a resolution:

Yes, I found a solution after a lot of trial and error.

The reason these devices do not boot (which was true for all the ones I had to fix) is that the CMOS battery is drained. Unlike other computers, these thin clients don't simply boot up with a bad system date and show an error. They just don't run.

I bought new CR2032 batteries, opened the thin client, popped out the old battery and installed the new one and closed it back up.
The first time you power up, you'll see solid green lights again, but hold the power button for 10 seconds and make it shutdown.
Press the power button again and let it boot and it will give you a display, and show an error related to the BIOS settings having been reset. Hit f10? to get into the BIOS, set the correct date, arrange it to use the boot order you like, save and exit.

Your thin client should now be functional.

I've done that and changed my BIOS battery still no response from the power button for me and not LEDs light up on my USB keyboard, looks like it's died in some way unless I'm possibly missing something?

-ash

momo · Post by **momo** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:47 pm

@985ach

985ach wrote: I've done that and changed my BIOS battery still no response from the power button for me and not LEDs light up on my USB keyboard, looks like it's died in some way unless I'm possibly missing something?

No, I also once had a CMOS battery die on my T5730, changed it and still no boot-up again.

I kept at it, and to my surprise it started again.

Try taking out the battery again, wait 30 seconds, then insert it again, wait 30 seconds again, the try powering up again.

If the unit was working well before the battery died, it should come back again, but for some reason the T5730/35 needs more tries to resurrect itself.

Really...I also thought my system died for no reason, but eventually it started again.

I also tried shorting the battery compartment, (WITHOUT THE BATTERY IN IT)
then waited a few seconds, and re-installed the battery, waited a few more seconds, the tried the power-ON again.

Also try unplugging the power cord ...then install the battery...re-plugging the power plug in, but don't start it up, unplugging it again, wait a few seconds, they plug it back in, wait a few seconds, then power-up.

I don't remember what sequence of events I did that started it up again, but it did re-start eventually.
As I said before, ...if the T5730/35 was working well before the battery went bad, it should come back again after changing the battery...it just needs time, for some strange reason ... but keep trying.

985ach · Post by **985ach** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:53 am

No luck as yet with the revival, might leave it unplugged again for a couple of days and see if that helps any .

985ach · Post by **985ach** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:01 am

My New unit came last night (a total of 7 working days to get here)

It does only have a single PCI slot on it so I can get my second NIC in at least - just no future graphics beefing.

Everything seems good, plugged in my 32GB DOM and hooked up the PCI expansion card with the new NIC in and windows picked it up.

I've now just have to wait for my Male to Female IDE cable to come and I can then attempt to get this SSD working, then set off on the proxy setup side of things.

I've just tried sending a magic packet to WOL on the "dead" T5730 as the network port appears to be responsive (or shows activity anyway) but to no joy :/

@momo when you had this issue do you remember if you still got power to your USB ports?

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:40 pm

Welcome to the thread 985ach! I actually thought about doing exactly what you are doing or making one of these into a pfsense router. Wheezer I ordered a expansion module from that exact place and I got it in the mail about two weeks later and it was the correct module. Maybe the post office just lost yours or something?

momo · Post by **momo** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:29 am

985ach wrote: I've just tried sending a magic packet to WOL on the "dead" T5730 as the network port appears to be responsive (or shows activity anyway) but to no joy :/

@momo when you had this issue do you remember if you still got power to your USB ports?

I was sooo bum'd out at that time, (sad that it wasn't coming on) ...
I don't remember if I checked the USB ports at all.
It didn't come on right away. I remember looking for a new system online for several days, then said I can't afford another one, and started trying with the TC again.

I do remember not succeeding right away.
To my total shock it came on again, after being powered off, and unplugged, with the battery in and out at different days.

Have you checked the battery to make sure they sent you a fresh fully charged one? Ya never know...!
It should measure 3.3 or more...up to 3.7 volts... But usually 3.3v

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:11 pm

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Well I have called the # on several different occasions and I always get the answering machine. I have sent at-least 3 emails asking for some sort of answer. And still no response after 3 weeks...

And that seller on ebay offering the t5730 w/exp. does not have any of the pci-e risers.

I am about disgusted with these thin clients and the shortfalls of these systems.

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:30 pm

Wheezer wrote:........................................(getpartsforless.com)......................................
Well I have called the # on several different occasions and I always get the answering machine. I have sent at-least 3 emails asking for some sort of answer. And still no response after 3 weeks...
And that seller on ebay offering the t5730 w/exp. does not have any of the pci-e risers.
I am about disgusted with these thin clients and the shortfalls of these systems.

Well you have to realize that you are probably asking this little box to do way more than it was designed to do to start with. You can not fault the thin client in this case. I hope that you will be able to contact the company and see whats up but that does not sound good at all.

985ach · Post by **985ach** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:52 am

T5735 wrote:Welcome to the thread 985ach! I actually thought about doing exactly what you are doing or making one of these into a pfsense router.

Thanks

, I had looked at PFSense but decided it didn't quite offer what I wanted ( or at least I don't think it did) I'm after the web filtering side of things mainly, I've noticed the use of sites like omegle so want to stop that sort of site being visited (I know Fun Ender

)

{edit and Additional}: in the ideal world I'd want to be able to capture everything sent which (Network Administrator Alert!

) but that's probably too "Big Brotherish" on a home network

In other news.. I now have no Power LED (Both the Power and HDD activity LEDs light up when I hook up a 3V battery to them) and no Ethernet activity looks like somethings blown on the board (I fear I may of plugged inadvertently plugged my laptop PSU into it

) , I may try to resurrect at a later date now and concentrate on this working one.

[edit]
Right now I'm installing ClearOS to my DOM to check that out, once I've had a fiddle I'll try installing PFSense and see what that's like

there appears to be plenty of linux based firewalls out there http://www.techradar.com/news/software/ ... cleContent I just need to find one that has the features I want that doesn't require a load of RAM and doesn't hit the CPU a whole lot - but if i do need to do a CPU upgrade at least I known what needs to be done

.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:50 pm

I thought there may be some interested parties.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-GT7725-Thinc ... 6151&rt=nc
$50.00 for a GT7725 w/ expansion!!!
(side note) I could never get any nVidia cards to post in this unit. Just ATI's stuff.

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:18 pm

Wheezer wrote:I thought there may be some interested parties.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-GT7725-Thinc ... 6151&rt=nc
$50.00 for a GT7725 w/ expansion!!!
(side note) I could never get any nVidia cards to post in this unit. Just ATI's stuff.

Wow that is a great price. I might have to order another one to have as a backup.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:59 pm

Wish I had visited this site before ordering from them.
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