HP Thin Client Modifications & Upgrades for MagicJack

[PTravel]

1. If using 5720 for Internet Browsing and e-mail - Will it be necessary/beneficial to install Antivirus e.g. AVGFree Version or maybe Windows Defender?

I install AVG and Sygate Personal Firewall (which still can be found if you look carefully) on all of my thin clients that are exposed to the Internet. The nice thing about a thin client, of course, is that, if it gets infected, all you have to do is reboot. However, as my thin clients all sit on my LAN, I'm unwilling to take the risk of an infection spreading. Of course, this is a "belt-and-suspenders" approach, but I've also never had a virus infect any of my systems.

2. Wow! how did you get a 5720 for $75 on eBay And 1GB RAM for $11 I wanna know please? Good things happen to those who wait or good things happen to good people or both? I 'll go with BOTH.

Stroth beat me on the lowest price for a 5720 -- I got one once for $90. The trick is simply to keep monitoring eBay. Every so often, someone will offer one without really knowing what it is. I've also picked up a couple of 5730s for $250 each from a reputable Canadian computer dealer who lists on eBay. I'm still not sure why they were listed so low (these are in current production and sell for $400-600 each on eBay). By the way, if you're having fun with your 5710 and 5720, you should play with a 5730. These have a built-in HDMI port and make good video servers.

[lakay2]

PTravel

I have the Windows Security Center running with Windows Firewall and of course it asks for an Antivirus so I am wondering if I really need an Antivirus since this HP TCs are virtually Virus proof with just a Reboot then what about the Spyware? so I thought of the free Windows Defender.
You got me beat with the 5720 I got mine for 91+S&H LOL!

Anyways thanks for the reply!
Happy Holidays to you.

Lakay2

[stroths]

stroths,

First of all thanks for all your posts and more power to you. I have been busy playing with the 5710 & 5720 and boy I tell you I have never been more busy than the last 2 months playing with these toys. I just had XPe SP3 on a 1GB flash on my 5720 with 100MB space left enough to squeeze in MJ and AntiVirus. I have some questions if you don't mind.

1. If using 5720 for Internet Browsing and e-mail - Will it be necessary/beneficial to install Antivirus e.g. AVGFree Version or maybe Windows Defender?

2. Wow! how did you get a 5720 for $75 on eBay And 1GB RAM for $11 I wanna know please? Good things happen to those who wait or good things happen to good people or both? I 'll go with BOTH.

Thanks a lot and Happy Holidays!

Lakay2

PTravel got the 1st one. As for the 2nd, I just got lucky and bid on an ebay listing. The $11 Ram was a special Fry's was running at the time. Check out fatwallet.com or slickdeals.net for deals on RAM and just about any other new item.

[VaHam]

I installed a 4GB Hitachi microdrive in another one of my T5710 and this time took some photos while I was doing it; so I thought I'd share my experiences with you folks.



Here is a link to the full article T5710 Microdrive

And the following is a link to a zip file with the article, full size photos and batch files included: The Project Files

[nyislander]

I haven't received my T5710 yet but by reading all the posts on hardware upgrades I am considering the CF/microdrive adapter route. I found the following eBay item http://cgi.ebay.com/CF-to-44-Pin-IDE-Ad ... 8005r26026 and would like your opinions. It looks like there is a potential interference problem on the right side of the board when installed (using stroths picture). Maybe I'll just get it and see for myself.

Thanks.

[stroths]

nyislander,

I don't think that adapter will work because of the extra space on either side of the 44 pin connector. I believe somewhere earlier in the thread someone (Holman I believe) got one of these I found and it didn't fit right. If going the CF route, your best bet is to get a 44 pin cable and a CF adapter with a 44 pin male connector.

EDIT: It was VaHam (see below)

[VaHam]

nyislander,

I don't think that adapter will work because of the extra space on either side of the 44 pin connector. I believe somewhere earlier in the thread someone (Holman I believe) got one of these I found and it didn't fit right. If going the CF route, your best bet is to get a 44 pin cable and a CF adapter with a 44 pin mail connector.

Actually it was me who tried that and there is not enough space. I posted some photos earlier in the thread which show you it just won't fit. But the $2.82 one and a 6" cable works out very nice.

[nyislander]

Thanks for the info. I don't know how I missed your post VaHam on the 1st page?!

[stroths]

Thanks for the info. I don't know how I missed your post VaHam on the 1st page?!

Also read what I wrote about finding a CF card that will be seen as a fixed drive rather than a removable one. Otherwise, you will run into issues with XPe (or XP) not wanting to run correctly. I know you can circumvent that with the Hitachi driver I also mentioned on regular XP. I never tried it on XPe, but I imagine it would work there too (after a commit).

Unless you are dead set on a CF card, I would highly recommend you get the Transcend DOM instead as they are fairly cheap now, work better and are faster. Also keep in mind whichever route you take, the XPe image HP provides will not work correctly on any media larger than 1gb. If you go over 1gb you will either need to use a regular copy of XP or install a patch/crack to the XPe image to make it ignore the license check.

[noetic1]

Thanks to stroths and HolmanGT for the great posts. I was able to setup my "new" TC pretty easily with all of the great info on this site.

I seem to have an odd unit TC because I got a 5710 with 1.1Ghz, 256/256. I won a 5700 1GHz, 256/256 in eBay so I was pleasantly surprised to receive a 5710 with USB 2.0. Thanks to stroths for posting the pics showing both units. I would have never known I had a 5710 had I not seen the pics.

The only issue I ran into was the BSOD which was easily resolved by updating the USB drivers. I also didn't install DirectX since I'm conserving precious DOM space until my 1GB Transcend DOM arrives. I only have 11MB free with the stock 256 MB DOM after removing all of the non-essential apps.

Now I'm off to test if a 1GB RAM stick will work with my 5710 with an 8600 processor. Keeping my fingers crossed.

[noetic1]

Looks like I got lucky again. The 1GB stick works perfectly and it's not even pc2700 RAM. BIOS says 00 but HP System Information lists 1024MB in Memory Slot 1.

I installed Kingston ValueRAM 1GB PC3200 400MHz DDR1 which I bought at Buy.com last month for my wife's laptop. I figured it would be backwards compatible and it sure seems to be.

It looks like Buy.com is still selling it at the same price I bought it last month - $26.99 with free shipping.

http://www.buy.com/prod/kingston-valuer ... 94804.html

Since I now have 1GB of RAM I increased my Z: drive/RAM disk to the max setting of 64MB. Is there any way to increase the RAM disk size to a bigger size, say 128MB?

[stroths]

Since I now have 1GB of RAM I increased my Z: drive/RAM disk to the max setting of 64MB. Is there any way to increase the RAM disk size to a bigger size, say 128MB?

Yes and no. It is possible to have a larger ramdrive, but not with the software HP provides.

Since I ended up using a nlited version of XP on mine, I wanted a ram drive solution. I had pulled the one off the thin client image, but wanted something with more flexibility.

Check out this freeware alternative - LINK

You can set it up to just about any size you want.

I just tried it on my HP vmware image and it worked, so follow these instructions. NOTE: As with any changes, do so at your own risk.

Instructions

1. Download the software I mentioned and unzip the folder to the location of your choosing (I picked C:\ramdisk).

2. Go to that folder and run the ramdisk.exe. Install a FIXED drive and choose any available drive letter (will be changed later).

3. Run regedit.exe and navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Ramdisk and change the "Start" key to 4. This will disable the default MS/HP ramdisk on next boot.

4. Next navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\RRamdisk\Parameters and change the "DriveLetter" parameter to Z:

5. Commit, reboot, and you should be good. You will run the ramdisk.exe from whereever you unzipped it to anytime you want to change the ramdisk size.

[hcdusty]

Note to VAHam.
Dude! Great write up. I followed all recommendations and the upgrade went flawless. Am using a 1GB SSD w/512K of memory. Using Teamviewer to remotely monitor the TC. Only new item is I'm using a utility called "Power Off" to schedule daily reboots. The system is running like a top - much better than with the 256/256 config I originally bought.

Thanks VAHam.

Dusty

[VaHam]

Note to VAHam.
Dude! Great write up. I followed all recommendations and the upgrade went flawless. Am using a 1GB SSD w/512K of memory. Using Teamviewer to remotely monitor the TC. Only new item is I'm using a utility called "Power Off" to schedule daily reboots. The system is running like a top - much better than with the 256/256 config I originally bought.

Thanks VAHam.

Dusty

Thanks for the kudos Dusty! Glad everything went smooth for you! I am assuming it is the microdrive write up your talking about since you mention the 1G SSD and all the microdrive info applies to flash cards as well.

I think the biggest performance boost probably comes from the increase of the RAM to 512M but having a little more C:\ space is a bonus too and very cheap these days.

I just use the task scheduler in XPe to perform automated reboots. You have to enable the service since it is not enabled by default.

Then you can just set up a task schedule for when ever you like using the command:
C:\WINDOWS\system32\shutdown.exe /r /t 01 /f

and the Start In directory as:
C:\WINDOWS\system32

Have Fun these but CAUTION these things are addictive!

[hcdusty]

Note to VAHam.

Thanks for the kudos Dusty! Glad everything went smooth for you! I am assuming it is the microdrive write up your talking about since you mention the 1G SSD and all the microdrive info applies to flash cards as well.

I think the biggest performance boost probably comes from the increase of the RAM to 512M but having a little more C:\ space is a bonus too and very cheap these days.

Thanks VaHam
I went with the 1GB Transcend DOM.
I agree on the main boost being from the 512M of RAM. Once I saw that my VP was spiking to 190M - even with VM set to 0 - and knowing that I only had 256 to work with, I knew that had to be fixed. For me, 256M just didn't seem like enough headroom.
Anyway all remains well and the MJ is a great moneysaver.

Best regards to all
Dusty

[VaHam]

Note to VAHam.

Thanks for the kudos Dusty! Glad everything went smooth for you! I am assuming it is the microdrive write up your talking about since you mention the 1G SSD and all the microdrive info applies to flash cards as well.

I think the biggest performance boost probably comes from the increase of the RAM to 512M but having a little more C:\ space is a bonus too and very cheap these days.

Thanks VaHam
I went with the 1GB Transcend DOM.
I agree on the main boost being from the 512M of RAM. Once I saw that my VP was spiking to 190M - even with VM set to 0 - and knowing that I only had 256 to work with, I knew that had to be fixed. For me, 256M just didn't seem like enough headroom.
Anyway all remains well and the MJ is a great moneysaver.

Best regards to all
Dusty

Yeap upgrading the TCs does boost their performance but in reality they serve magicJack just fine in a stock 256/256 configuration; so if your only using it to serve up magicJack it really isn't necessary. Never tried to shoe horn MJ into a 192M TC; I am sure that is harder to do but others here have even done that.

Enjoy!

[mike08857]

Stroths,

I have one of your thin clients, got it from you way back in July. Before I got it set up I ended up getting the Blue screen of death and assumed it crashed. I am just now getting around to trying to get this thing to work again. I downloaded 1.2 and unzipped to a usb dok and started following the instructions, but there appears to be a missing step between 4 and 5. after doing step 4, checking the box to create a dos startup disk, I only have the option to "choose using dos system files located at:" (and here is where I do not know where to choose from) so I cannot move on to step 5.

Ok I also could not get the HPUSBFW.EXE to work because it kept asking for the DOS system files. Where I was stumped but I found at this site...
on the site http://www.bay-wolf.com/usbmemstick.htm

it has a Download Link for the Windows 98 system files

You NEED for this to work. After I extracted the files and directed the program to use them it went flawlessly!
So if anyone is having problem with step 3&4 use the download link or even use that program to create the USB Disk and then Copy Stroths file over to it and it will work !

Again thanks to stroths for the EASY Implantation of this image to make it so much easier for all of us to run our MJ's !!!


By the way I am running a T5700 with a transend 1Gig Flash and a 512 Ram Stick, and Team viewer to access the TC.



Mike

[RSchyns]

Get T5710 1.2G, replaced with 512 RAM and 2G IDE Flash from Transcend.

After Loaded with stroths 1.2, it give error of "A disk read error occurred" any one can help me it this ? thanks.

I am having the same problem. Only using a 4Gb CF card.
Does anyone have any Ideas on how to restore the 1gb image to a 4gb CF card and not get the disk read error message?

[vic170]

I just installed full XP Pro but can not install the EWF drivers....

[stroths]

I just installed full XP Pro but can not install the EWF drivers....

Try this thread

http://www.aspireoneuser.com/forum/view ... =80#p32293

[mjuser001]

Hi stroths,

Will this work for me by following your instructions?

http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-t5000-T5710-Thin ... 5011r11283

Thanks.

[picsofme]

Hi Folks,

Just wanted to write about my experience installing the OS using the Stroths 1.2 pack. I figured out why they say "Read Carefully" before you try a hack.

So I downloaded everything and did everything like the post asked me to and I rebooted the TC with the USB DOK in the USB port. I typed Y and clicked enter like the post asked me to. A lot of text started scrolling thorugh my screen, so fast that I could not read it. I assumed everything was going great. WRONG. This scrolling text went on for two hours and nothing really happened. I could not read what the text was trying to tell me. So I went back to the post and read again (CAREFULLY this time). It was then that I saw that the DOM had to be at least 1 GB, mine is at 512. I am assuming that is what caused the non stop scrolling text and thats probably what the scrolling text was trying to tell me.. that there wasn't enough space. LOL

Any way, I am gonna try the Windows XPe method next and will report the results.

Any suggestions?

Thanks
picsofme

[picsofme]

Hello People

I have tried and tried and tried, but nothing is working for me. Please do help me.

I have tried three different flash drives to reinstall the OS on my T5710 (512/512). I have tried Stroth's method, and it boots up just fine and starts to install the OS, but then complains about "Attempting to access beyond end of disk" or something of the sort.

I try to install Win XPe using sp36064 or sp33234, and it just wont even boot up from the flash drive. I get a "Non-System disck or disk error. Replace and press any key when ready" error. I am at my wits end. My TC does not have an OS right now.

Please Please Please help me reinstall the OS and get my magicJack working with it.

Thanks in Advance

[picsofme]

Ok So I was able to install Windows XPe on my TC finally. Turns out you have to remove the power to the TC, connect your USB flash drive and then reconnect power again for it to recognize the thumb drive and to boot from it.

So i was able to install everything, remove unwanted components, install teamViewer and then fix the Blue Screen of Death when plugging in the MagicJack.

Now..I do not know how to ask Sygate secuity agent to allow magic jack to access the internet.

Any ideas?

Thanks in Advance
picsofme

[ThisIsMyUserName]

I'm looking for a simple plug-n-play low-cost Thin Client that is ready to go out of the box to work with my MJ.

[Skate]

I just installed a Transcend DOM 2 gig unit and Windows XPe will not activate. Any Ideas what to do?

It's a HP t5710e 800mhz.

[oldtimercurt]

If I recall from the forum, the 5710 has a 1 Gig limit on the DOM.

OTC

[R0ss]

I installed a 4GB Hitachi microdrive in another one of my T5710 and this time took some photos while I was doing it; so I thought I'd share my experiences with you folks.



Here is a link to the full article T5710 Microdrive

And the following is a link to a zip file with the article, full size photos and batch files included: The Project Files

Awesome directions! I have one question: If I wanted to install some flavor of XP on a MD what would I need to to differently?

Ross

[Diggs]

Do Magic Jack's online auto-upgrades need to be committed for them to be permanent? Seems like every time I reboot my t5710 it does an upgrade. I'm starting to believe it is the same upgrade, but I thought the upgrades were being saved on the jack itself or does it need write permission (to be committed) on the 5710?

[R0ss]

Do Magic Jack's online auto-upgrades need to be committed for them to be permanent? Seems like every time I reboot my t5710 it does an upgrade. I'm starting to believe it is the same upgrade, but I thought the upgrades were being saved on the jack itself or does it need write permission (to be committed) on the 5710?

yes if you don't do a commit the update is not saved

[Diggs]

The HP flash image includes several programs which probably will be of no use to you and take up precious space on the internal flash drive. The list below are the ones I suggest you may want to remove.

• 1) Altiris XPe Add-On (Remove Media Player)
  2) Altiris XPe Add-on (Remove Multiple Components)
  3) HP Session Allocation Manager XPe Add-on (Remove SAM)
  4) Altiris XPe Add-on (Remove .NET Messenger)
  5) Altiris XPe Add-On (Remove Citrix ICA)
  6) Altiris XPe Add-on (Remove TeemNT)

Links 2, 4, 5, and 6 have become invalid. Anything to replace them? Since there is no uninstall entry for them in the menus and thin clients don't have an "Add/Remove Programs" I'm not sure what other options there are. I Use Lin's Startup Control Panel to keep them starting up at boot, but that isn't the same as removing them.

What are others with thin clients doing now?

[simondale]

Hi everyone,

Wow - you guys seem to know a lot about these T5710s! I hope you can help me.

I've been using one as a mini-server for a couple of years but I've always had a problem whereby it just hangs at the BIOS screen if my USB2 hard drive is plugged in at boot time. Recently this has become a real pain because I've moved house, had building work done, reorganised the house, etc., etc. and the "server" keeps being moved. Sometimes it takes me 40 minutes of trial and error to get the T5710 to boot up correctly because I need to connect the USB 2 drive late enough that the BIOS doesn't see it, but early enough that XPe does see it and sets up my shares correctly! Its been a complete nightmare.

So tonight, in an effort to fix it, I flashed the BIOS with the 1.1B BIOS from here: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/Te ... 135&mode=5

It did say that the model number didn't match but I was sure it was right and I ran the flasher with the ignore switch set (dumbo!). Now I appear to have totally screwed the pooch. The HP turns on, or at least the green light comes on, but nothing comes out of the VGA port and I can't connect to it remotely using RDP (which I could previously).

Is it possible to reflash the BIOS somehow from a USB key or similar? Can anyone point me in the right direction as to how to do that please?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Many thanks

Simon Dale

[Diggs]

Use the OS from here -

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/Te ... vc-51791-1

When you run this program just tell it to format your USB stick, not ISO or Deploy. Then boot your thin client from the USB stick. It sounds like your thin client could already be set to boot form USB which is what may be causing your boot problems when you have a USB device attached without an OS to boot from on it. If in doubt read the first page of this thread carefully especially about 2/3 of the way down the page where it talks about flashing the OS onto the thin client.

[simondale]

I think I've screwed the BIOS, not the OS. I literally get nothing from the VGA port of the TC now.

I am downloading the OS from the link that you provided and I will try it but I don't know if the TC is even capable of booting now.

To reply to your second point I think it was set to boot from USB second before I reflashed the BIOS. I dare say those settings are lost now though...along with the BIOS.

The problem with booting was not related to the boot from USB setting. I have tried with all such settings on and off, even USB keyboard and mouse, USB controller, etc, etc. A couple of other people had the same problem here: http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/Workstatio ... 857/page/2

Thanks a lot for your help, I really appreciate it

Simon

[simondale]

Unfortunately its as I thought, nothing happens when I turn on the TC with or without the newly created USB key. The green light comes on, the network port light comes on and the network activity light flashes a couple of times but that's it.

Since the TC is no longer capable of booting itself up I guess the only way to reflash the BIOS would be with some kind of hardware (EEPROM flasher or similar)? I don't own such a thing and its probably beyond my capabilities so I guess I'll put this down to experience unless anyone can think of anything?

Perhaps a netbook with a broken screen would be a worthy replacement.

[simondale]

I've just won another T5710 800/512/256 on eBay for £24.50 so fingers crossed I can swap the SSD over and not even lose my settings. Fingers crossed this one will boot with my USB 2 drive plugged in!

Do your T5710's boot OK with USB 2 drives plugged in then?

[Ann.Cal]

Use the OS from here -

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/Te ... vc-51791-1

When you run this program just tell it to format your USB stick, not ISO or Deploy. Then boot your thin client from the USB stick. It sounds like your thin client could already be set to boot form USB which is what may be causing your boot problems when you have a USB device attached without an OS to boot from on it. If in doubt read the first page of this thread carefully especially about 2/3 of the way down the page where it talks about flashing the OS onto the thin client.

I try the link
This webpage is not found.

No webpage was found for the web address: ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp36001-36500/sp36064.exe

any otrer link to dowload

Thx for your help

[Diggs]

I try the link
This webpage is not found.

Both links work for me. Maybe some one else can try and see what they get? The first link is the HP page for XPe and the second is the actual download of the file itself. Not sure why you don't get them unless these are only valid domestically. Some companies regionalize the availability of some downloads.

[simondale]

I try the link
This webpage is not found.

Both links work for me. Maybe some one else can try and see what they get? The first link is the HP page for XPe and the second is the actual download of the file itself. Not sure why you don't get them unless these are only valid domestically. Some companies regionalize the availability of some downloads.

Links work fine for me.

[Diggs]

Is it possible to reflash the BIOS somehow from a USB key or similar? Can anyone point me in the right direction as to how to do that please?

Any help would be much appreciated.

You should be able to re-flash the BIOS from a USB stick using the BIOS from here -

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/Te ... ir-54924-1

If you can't manually enter the BIOS by hitting F10 during boot, then you may want to unplug the unit from all power, open it up and drop the battery out of it for the night to see if it resets. Most motherboards have a jumper that lets you reset the BIOS to factory default. I have not found that yet on the t5710.

Since you have two TCs now, it sounds like you can afford to experiment a bit more.

[Ann.Cal]

Use the OS from here -

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/Te ... vc-51791-1

When you run this program just tell it to format your USB stick, not ISO or Deploy. Then boot your thin client from the USB stick. It sounds like your thin client could already be set to boot form USB which is what may be causing your boot problems when you have a USB device attached without an OS to boot from on it. If in doubt read the first page of this thread carefully especially about 2/3 of the way down the page where it talks about flashing the OS onto the thin client.

I try the link
This webpage is not found.

No webpage was found for the web address: ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp36001-36500/sp36064.exe

any otrer link to dowload

Thx for your help

the only way i get to the file was

using the link ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp36001-36500

and get to the file


clik 2 times and finaly get it to dwnload to my pc

thx for the help

Ann

[kengarreth]

Hello i need 256mb flash image already tweak to run magic jack. I only need the 256mb flash for i only have 256mb flash.

[Diggs]

Hello i need 256mb flash image already tweak to run magic jack. I only need the 256mb flash for i only have 256mb flash.

After magicJack's latest upgrade (or is that downgrade?) I don't believe this is possible. You will probably have to increase the size of your FLASH C: drive. to at least 512 MB.

[arifp]

HP T5000
XPe Ver 2002 Service Pack 2
256MB RAM

I use this thin client as a dedicated machine to run MagicJack (MJ).

MJ was working fine until a couple of days ago. When I plug it in it seems to do the upgrade and initially was stopping saying "can't connect to internet".
But i can use (and yes it functions just fine) the same MJ from my win7 laptop that is also connected to the same router - thus it can't be a router (port) problem, correct?

Earlier at one point it did say not enough disk space; but that doesn't seem to happen any more.

No MJ Disks show up in explorer and when the shortcut for MJ on the desktop is clicked it starts to load, then stops and disappears.

Help!! I need to get this running on my thin client once again.

[oldtimercurt]

If you check this "dialpad does not appear" thread, your problem "MAY" be lack of memory.

OTC

[Diggs]

If you check this "dialpad does not appear" thread, your problem "MAY" be lack of memory.

OTC

It's not usually memory that is the problem. Even after the latest upgrade, 256 MB of RAM memory is more than enough. It is the C: FLASH memory that is the problem and needs more than 256MB. You can also control what starts up very easily in RAM on a thin client by using Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel. It's only about 35 KB and is free.

http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml

I've used the Startup Control Panel for years. Very small, simple yet effective.

[KMNugent52]

This should be the 512MB C:/ flash drive for it:
http://ec.transcendusa.com/product/Item ... 2MDOM44H-S
-Kevin N

[Mikecarol]

These thin clients are not plug and play, and not for beginners to set up the magic jack upon. I have been using one for a couple of months now, t5700 with 256 for storage and ram. Lots of problems. Right now I am reinstalling the operating system again. The MJ program has been hanging right at the end, saying please wait, yet never loading the contacts. Put the MJ back into my desktop computer, works great! And even step one, on the thin client, reimaging the operating system, that is a problem too, windows starting up then just a blank blue screen with a large arrow, WTF? So now I am reinstalling it again. Definitely not plug and play more like plug fail fail pray fail and give up. This site is great, thanks for the help, but everyone keeps using the wrong terms for storage and ram. "I had to buy 512 HD space" to quote a recent post, but most posts tend to be confusing with everyone using ambigious terms--hey it's all flash and it's all memory, how about not using those words? Maybe block them like a$$ and etc are blocked. And several have said you need 512 to run MJ now, yet most posts have not been amended; is this true or not?

[Diggs]

It is the "storage" RAM that is your problem. Your storage is a type of memory known as FLASH RAM (which is your C:\ drive). It is a type of memory know as EEPROM (electrically erasable programmable read-only memory). It remembers what it's contents are when powered down (unlike the other type of memory in your thin client that is lost as soon as it is powered down). The FLASH memory needs to be more the 256 MB after MJ's last update. (512 MB is the next increment up.)

After you add the 512 MB FLASH and install the OS by booting from a USB memory stick per HP/Wyse, the thin client will truly be plug, play and forget. I run an HP t5710 with 512 RAM and 1 GB of FLASH. I added MS Windows firewall. It is set to reboot once a month just for good measure. I have not touched it for a very long time and MJ phone service is excellent.

[Mikecarol]

It is the "storage" RAM that is your problem. Your storage is a type of memory known as FLASH RAM (which is your C:\ drive). It is a type of memory know as EEPROM (electrically erasable programmable read-only memory). It remembers what it's contents are when powered down (unlike the other type of memory in your thin client that is lost as soon as it is powered down). The FLASH memory needs to be more the 256 MB after MJ's last update. (512 MB is the next increment up.)

After you add the 512 MB FLASH and install the OS by booting from a USB memory stick per HP/Wyse, the thin client will truly be plug, play and forget. I run an HP t5710 with 512 RAM and 1 GB of FLASH. I added MS Windows firewall. It is set to reboot once a month just for good measure. I have not touched it for a very long time and MJ phone service is excellent.

OH don't I wish. Make me laugh more silly you. You still need the USB driver, it's not include in the OS image files. You have to find the file, USBAudio.driver.zip, it has 368 KB and why is it not included in the image file, I don't know. I guess Bill Gates has a law, thou shalt not install an operating system unless you spend the next three hours trying to discover the missing driver files. Yeah, I know I am the only one in the universe with this problem, cry me a river...

I have installed a 1 gig DOM and it keeps having problems starting up MJ, like it's grunting and groaning, totally illogical. It tries, then says out of virtual memory. Then it finally gets started up, but I cannot choose phone, it only works through the speakers. Because it did not install the drivers correctly when it ran out of virtual memory! Which is a phantom pain from DOS 1.0 back when the processors ran at 640K and the storage was 640K, in Bill Gates first attempt to confuse us, he is a great fan of the tower of babel. I have always wondered, if the first DOS was actually stolen from aliens, because it seems to still be there in every Billy Gates new operating system--they write millions of lines of code to make it work better and hide it, but deep under it all, you have this bit of magic code that can not be replaced or fixed, because no one really knows why it works. So try all you want to update the drivers on the MJ, windows says hey no way, you already got plenty of drivers no can do fail. It's a big game. You have to now delete the MJ files, reboot, try again. It eventually realizes you are not going to give up and go back to paying $89 a month for phone service, and asks if you want to install a new device. You lead it by the broken little client hand to where you have the files on a jump drive, and magically it installs them, there are about 8 or more, you will see it happening--if it just flicks and says DONE like your teenager when you ask if they cleaned their bathroom, no way it's not done. Then, reboot. After 3 or 4 more reboots, MJ illogically works! See, plug and play! If this thing stops working in the next six months I'm taking a hammer to it!