using MJ remotely

testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:34 pm

BTW, correct me if I am wrong on this but you can't use Groovytel/Gizmo ("GG") or IPKall/FWD ("IF) for one leg of the PSTN/VOIP bridging because you have to pay for outgoing calls right?

What I mean is let's say you are using GG or IF for PSTN and Broadvoice for VOIP (since they have BYOD).

You have MyFAVs/Friends Family/Sprint "Home #" between your Cell <-> PSTN (Free Calls)

Outbound: You call Cell -> PSTN (GG or IF) -> via Gateway goes out over VOIP
Inbound: Call comes in on VOIP -> via Gateway goes to PSTN (GG or IF) <---- This requires GG or IF making outbound call; you have to pay for that by the minute

In other words you need an unlimited Inbound/Outbound (Local to your Cell) plan on the PSTN for this to be cost effective.

Right? (This is for the stubborn who want to have their own bridge)

kumar · Post by **kumar** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:38 pm

Ok...lets not get the cellphone involved....not everyone here has MyFavs lol...ATT WIRELESS WHOOPS TMOBILES @$$ at least here in philly....when i had tmobile it sucked here...but when i landed in chicago i got full bars around the city....even in the sears towers

Peace
Kumar

testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:43 pm

kumar wrote:Ok...lets not get the cellphone involved....not everyone here has MyFavs lol...ATT WIRELESS WHOOPS TMOBILES @$$ at least here in philly....when i had tmobile it sucked here...but when i landed in chicago i got full bars around the city....even in the sears towers
Peace
Kumar

I want to use the Cell as in the POC I posted earlier. Actually, the cell phone part is not the issue. It is the challenge to get the cheap PSTN for Local and cheap VOIP.

kumar · Post by **kumar** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:55 pm

Then whats wrong with Grand Central?
Kumar

testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:09 pm

kumar wrote:Then whats wrong with Grand Central?
Kumar

Kumar, it can't do the PSTN dialout part -- remember that PSTN needs to call the Cell phone (since it is in the MyFavs/F&F/Sprint "Home" #)

Also, GC needs someone to press "1" to accept a call -- I am not sure how that works in this scenario. I will be experimenting ... um, "testing"

kumar · Post by **kumar** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:14 pm

Voip discount calls out!!
Kumar

testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:15 pm

kumar wrote:Voip discount calls out!!
Kumar

From an ATA, how much? Looks to me like only 300 minutes before you are charged.

kumar · Post by **kumar** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:18 pm

testing123 wrote:
kumar wrote:Voip discount calls out!!
Kumar
From an ATA, how much? Looks to me like only 300 minutes before you are charged.

yes from ata....a penny a minute after the 300 or just make a new account every 300 minutes...thats why i do
Kumar

mufon · Post by **mufon** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:21 am

I have a thought or two about using jack remotely, so I'll toss some ideas into the ring.

Try this, using a softphone or any sip peer on a different computer than jack, make a sip-to-sip call to your jack by simply calling it by ip address. Works doesn't it? Now you know you can route sip traffic to and from jack without proxy or authentication.

Suppose you use call forwarding for inbound calls. Using ipkall for example, you could make the ipkall number's sip uri that of jack, or an asterisk server, or any other proxy. In asterisk, create a static sip peer with the local address of jack. Now incoming calls from ipkall can go to jack and any other jack's or extensions as you wish.

You could instead change the sip contact in the register message to have sip traffic, or just rtp traffic if desired, go elsewhere. That would require the use of a proxy so you can modify the sip headers and perform routing as needed. A perl script like that I have seen used for call-id spoofing, with modification, would work splendidly.

One very important thing to consider is that sip devices are peer applications, not client nor server so you must modify some messages in both directions since connections can originate from either end.

SpamBox · Post by **SpamBox** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:10 am

mufon wrote: Try this, using a softphone or any sip peer on a different computer than jack, make a sip-to-sip call to your jack by simply calling it by ip address. Works doesn't it? Now you know you can route sip traffic to and from jack without proxy or authentication.

[sup]{slapping self on forehead!}[/sup] I can't believe I hadn't even thought of trying that before! Nice Work!

SpamBox · Post by **SpamBox** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:11 am

mufon wrote: Try this, using a softphone or any sip peer on a different computer than jack, make a sip-to-sip call to your jack by simply calling it by ip address. Works doesn't it? Now you know you can route sip traffic to and from jack without proxy or authentication.

[sup]{slapping self on forehead!}[/sup] I can't believe I hadn't even thought of trying that before!

Nice Work!

MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:11 am

Testing123said:

BTW, correct me if I am wrong on this but you can't use Groovytel/Gizmo ("GG") or IPKall/FWD ("IF) for one leg of the PSTN/VOIP bridging because you have to pay for outgoing calls right?

Right, I was trying to say that the free Grovytel/FWD or in your case Gizmo would be used just for the line coming into the bridge from your cell phone, eliminating the need to involve your home landline whatsoever. For outgoing I was saying to use MagicJack for the second leg; the outgoing half of the bridge.

What I mean is let's say you are using GG or IF for PSTN and Broadvoice for VOIP (since they have BYOD).

You have MyFAVs/Friends Family/Sprint "Home #" between your Cell <-> PSTN (Free Calls)

Outbound: You call Cell -> PSTN (GG or IF) -> via Gateway goes out over VOIP
Inbound: Call comes in on VOIP -> via Gateway goes to PSTN (GG or IF) <---- This requires GG or IF making outbound call; you have to pay for that by the minute

Right again, but just take out the letters "PSTN". "PSTN" is the "Public Switched Telephone Network" which is just a fancy way of referring to the regular telephone system we grew up with. Maybe I should have just referred to it as the land line instead of PSTN. Anyway the approach I described only gives free outgoing calls from the cell phone. And not totally free since you'd be using MagicJack for outgoing which has the very small $20 per year fee. I think the problem with getting any truly free outgoing connection to a PSTN number is that (I believe) the calling company has to pay the company that has the PSTN number being called for the service of them terminating the call. So someone has to pay. In the case of MagicJack I think the plan is that the advertisers in the MagicJack Windows application frame will pay the lions share, and some is paid by the customer with his $20 per year service charge. And FWD is not at this time even capable of calling out to a PSTN (landline) number.

In other words you need an unlimited Inbound/Outbound (Local to your Cell) plan on the PSTN for this to be cost effective.

Right?

I think you are saying that in order to get the inbound calls to your cell phone for free the line on the "cell phone side" half of the bridge has to be able to call regular phone numbers such as your cell phone number for free. And yes that is correct.

I was saying that you could get free calls outgoing from the cell phone with the Groovytel/FWD combined with the MagicJack Bridge, but it would be limited to outbound only since the Groovytel/FWD would be only inbound to the bridge.

The cheapest way I can think of doing a bidirectional bridge would be to use your home landline (assuming you would have one anyway) and a MagicJack for the two legs. I'm assuming that your cell phone is a local call from your home landline. If there is an issue that someone at your home would want to be using the phone while you are out galavanting around wanting to make free calls from your cell phone then you could run two MagicJacks (preferably on one laptop - I know it's not designed for that but I think Stuart or somebody figured out a way to do it) then just connect the two magicjack RJ11 jacks together through one of the FXS to FXO converters. No ATA. And as I said earlier, I think the caller ID would even work out. But if you only needed outbound from the cell phone you could get away with just one MagicJack and the FWD/Groovytel and keep your home landline free for other users. And still, even with two MagicJacks, (2 x $20 = $40 per year for subsequent years) sure beats more than $200 per year for Voicestick even if you add in the cost of the electricity to run the laptop. Anyway you slice it, MagicJack is a great deal. I hope they make it.

And sorry Kumar

we're still on the cell phone thing but you could use this bridge from another phone. BTW I don't have a cell phone either

And Mufon, you're way over my head with your knowledge of this stuff so I'll sit back and listen

digitalnomad · Post by **digitalnomad** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:31 pm

I am not Asterisk compliant yet. but I like the idea of a software solution in accordance with the prophecy.

kumar · Post by **kumar** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:30 pm

@MagicJake

who said i don't have a cell phone, i have a few LOL...just not tmobile or sprint (well i have a moto pebl unlocked that was from when i used tmobile)
Kumar

MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:26 pm

kumar wrote:@MagicJake

who said i don't have a cell phone, i have a few LOL..
Kumar

Hehehe. Well you're way ahead of me. I'm one of the guys in the list that says "You might be a red neck if . . ."

MagicJake

kumar · Post by **kumar** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:38 pm

HAHA
Kumar

testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:15 pm

MagicJake: Believe it or not I understand everything you said in response to what I said.

And I know we don't "need" PSTN ... but it made it easier to distinguish each leg. A couple of followups:

1) Yes, this could actually be accomplished w/ 2 VOIP accounts: 1 "PSTN" imposter that you connect to via RJ11 (an MJ could be used here or any type of phone line including VOIP that gives us a RJ11 to Gateway); the other 1 considered the VOIP side (if using the Linksys/Sipura 3000 series) via SIP Account/Ethernet

2) Currently, you could not use MJ for the "SIP Acct" until they support ATA devices. Yes, it would be super-cheap to use to MJs for both legs

"then just connect the two magicjack RJ11 jacks together through one of the FXS to FXO converters. No ATA. And as I said earlier, I think the caller ID would even work out."

That part I don't get ... how do you connect two MJs thru ONE FXS to FXO converter?

3) Yeah, I'm stubborn, I am going to try this bi-directionally; Outbound from Cell; Inbound to Cell

Let me know if that makes sense. This is very interesting to me. I will be setting this up this weekend.

Thanks!

MagicJake wrote:Testing123said:

BTW, correct me if I am wrong on this but you can't use Groovytel/Gizmo ("GG") or IPKall/FWD ("IF) for one leg of the PSTN/VOIP bridging because you have to pay for outgoing calls right?

Right, I was trying to say that the free Grovytel/FWD or in your case Gizmo would be used just for the line coming into the bridge from your cell phone, eliminating the need to involve your home landline whatsoever. For outgoing I was saying to use MagicJack for the second leg; the outgoing half of the bridge.

What I mean is let's say you are using GG or IF for PSTN and Broadvoice for VOIP (since they have BYOD).

You have MyFAVs/Friends Family/Sprint "Home #" between your Cell <-> PSTN (Free Calls)

Outbound: You call Cell -> PSTN (GG or IF) -> via Gateway goes out over VOIP
Inbound: Call comes in on VOIP -> via Gateway goes to PSTN (GG or IF) <---- This requires GG or IF making outbound call; you have to pay for that by the minute

Right again, but just take out the letters "PSTN". "PSTN" is the "Public Switched Telephone Network" which is just a fancy way of referring to the regular telephone system we grew up with. Maybe I should have just referred to it as the land line instead of PSTN. Anyway the approach I described only gives free outgoing calls from the cell phone. And not totally free since you'd be using MagicJack for outgoing which has the very small $20 per year fee. I think the problem with getting any truly free outgoing connection to a PSTN number is that (I believe) the calling company has to pay the company that has the PSTN number being called for the service of them terminating the call. So someone has to pay. In the case of MagicJack I think the plan is that the advertisers in the MagicJack Windows application frame will pay the lions share, and some is paid by the customer with his $20 per year service charge. And FWD is not at this time even capable of calling out to a PSTN (landline) number.

In other words you need an unlimited Inbound/Outbound (Local to your Cell) plan on the PSTN for this to be cost effective.

Right?

I think you are saying that in order to get the inbound calls to your cell phone for free the line on the "cell phone side" half of the bridge has to be able to call regular phone numbers such as your cell phone number for free. And yes that is correct.

I was saying that you could get free calls outgoing from the cell phone with the Groovytel/FWD combined with the MagicJack Bridge, but it would be limited to outbound only since the Groovytel/FWD would be only inbound to the bridge.

The cheapest way I can think of doing a bidirectional bridge would be to use your home landline (assuming you would have one anyway) and a MagicJack for the two legs. I'm assuming that your cell phone is a local call from your home landline. If there is an issue that someone at your home would want to be using the phone while you are out galavanting around wanting to make free calls from your cell phone then you could run two MagicJacks (preferably on one laptop - I know it's not designed for that but I think Stuart or somebody figured out a way to do it) then just connect the two magicjack RJ11 jacks together through one of the FXS to FXO converters. No ATA. And as I said earlier, I think the caller ID would even work out. But if you only needed outbound from the cell phone you could get away with just one MagicJack and the FWD/Groovytel and keep your home landline free for other users. And still, even with two MagicJacks, (2 x $20 = $40 per year for subsequent years) sure beats more than $200 per year for Voicestick even if you add in the cost of the electricity to run the laptop. Anyway you slice it, MagicJack is a great deal. I hope they make it.

And sorry Kumar we're still on the cell phone thing but you could use this bridge from another phone. BTW I don't have a cell phone either

And Mufon, you're way over my head with your knowledge of this stuff so I'll sit back and listen

MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:51 pm

MagicJake: Believe it or not I understand everything you said in response to what I said. Cool And I know we don't "need" PSTN ... but it made it easier to distinguish each leg.

Okay I see what you mean about distinguishing each leg. It does get a bit confusing since we can't really call one leg of the bridge "incoming" and the other "outgoing" because it is to be used bidirectionally. I assume you're considering the set-up where you can call one regular phone number from your cell phone for free, and receive calls to your cell phone for free from that one number. This as opposed to the cell phone dock thing. And that you want umlimited free incoming and outgoing calls on your cell phone; Right?

How about if we call one leg of the bridge the "home leg" and the other leg of the bridge the "cell leg" rather than PSTN and VOIP which would surely confuse my spinning head

1) Yes, this could actually be accomplished w/ 2 VOIP accounts: 1 "PSTN" imposter that you connect to via RJ11 (an MJ could be used here or any type of phone line including VOIP that gives us a RJ11 to Gateway); the other 1 considered the VOIP side (if using the Linksys/Sipura 3000 series) via SIP Account/Ethernet

2) Currently, you could not use MJ for the "SIP Acct" until they support ATA devices. Yes, it would be super-cheap to use to MJs for both legs.

"then just connect the two magicjack RJ11 jacks together through one of the FXS to FXO converters. No ATA. And as I said earlier, I think the caller ID would even work out."
---That part I don't get ... how do you connect two MJs thru ONE FXS to FXO converter?

Okay here's what I'm saying. Let's say you have no regular phone line at your house or that you don't want to involve your regular phone line in the bridge since someone at home may want to use the line. --Also, you may wish to call someone at your home phone line from your cell phone and use the bridge to do it; so unless you live alone it's best not to involve the regular home phone line.

OK now let's say you buy two magicjacks. And let's say you figure out a way to run both of them on one WindowsXP laptop computer. So the one computer has two little magicjack USB devices coming out of it, each with it's own RJ11 jack (normally for telephones to plug into) and each with their cute little blue lights

. And each magicjack USB device has of course it's own telephone number. The two magicjacks will be used for your bridge. One magicjack will be used for the home leg and the other for the cell leg. Let's say that their respective phone numbers are hhh-hhh-hhhh (for the home leg) and ccc-ccc-cccc (for the cell leg). Put the ccc-ccc-cccc number in your T-Mob faves list so you can call it and receive calls from it for free. And let's say your T-Mob cell number is TTT-TTT-TTTT.

Now let's say that you get one of those "FXS to FXO" converters that looks to be about the size of a deck of cards. The converter has two RJ11 jacks on it. Connect each one of those two jacks on the converter box to it's own magicjack RJ11. So you esentially have a loop.

Computer USB#1 ==> home MJ ==> converter RJ11 #1
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Computer USB#2 <=== cell MJ . <=== converter RJ11 #2

Okay, so when you're anywhere in the US and you want to make a free cell phone call to anywhere in the US or Canada, you call ccc-ccc-cccc which is a free "FAVs" number. You enter your four digit pass code. You then hear the dial tone of the home MJ. You then dial Mr. John Smith. Mr. Smith looks at his caller ID and sees hhh-hhh-hhhh. He answers the call and you both talk as long as you like.

A few minutes later Mr. Smith realizes that he forgot to tell you something. His phone has retained your caller ID number so he calls you back at hhh-hhh-hhhh. The converter box is set to "Auto Call Forward / Hot Line" (See description of converter). All calls coming into hhh-hhh-hhhh magicjack will be automatically and immediately forwarded to TTT-TTT-TTTT through the ccc-ccc-cccc magicjack. This function is programmed into the converter box ahead of time. So your T-mob cell phone receives a call from ccc-ccc-cccc which is on it's FAV's list. No Charge! And you see the ccc-ccc-cccc number of the incoming call on your cell phone so you know you can answer it without being charged for minutes. Just give the ccc-ccc-cccc number to all your friends as if it was your cell number. Don't ever give out the real cell number.

And you don't even need an ATA at all to do this. Just the two MJ USB devices and the one "FXS to FXO" converter and the laptop. If you couldn't get both magicjacks to run on a single laptop you could run them with two laptops I suppose.

If you were using Viatalk which does support BYOD you could use a Lynksys 2102 and loop the converter between Line1 and Line2. This would be really compact and slick and low power.

Viatalk does have a sort of "two line" deal but they just give you only one phone number and both lines ring with that number so that wouldn't work unfortunately.

And as far as the SPA3000 series goes, I know it has a FXO jack but I've never used a 3000 series unit so I can't really comment too much about specifically how to do that. I think maybe you could get The SPA3000 series ATA to bridge without the converter using two Viatalk accounts or something like that. Even then I'm not sure whether or not you could make it bidirectional. But the two USB magicjacks with the converter box solution would still be the cheapest in the long run due to the minimal fees compared with other VOIP providers.

BTW it looks like the converter box doesn't come with it's own power adaptor and is designed share the power supply of the ATA; I see that there is a power in and a power out. It looks like it says 9-20 volts which is higher than the 5volt SPA2102. You may need to get a seperate DC power adaptor which is no biggie.

3) Yeah, I'm stubborn, I am going to try this bi-directionally; Outbound from Cell; Inbound to Cell.
Let me know if that makes sense. This is very interesting to me. I will be setting this up this weekend.

Coool. I'm VERY interested to see if this works out for you. I'm really into this kind of puzzle solving. Be sure to let us know how you make out!

MagicJake

P.S. I added some more findings about GroovyTel in my earlier post.

testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:00 pm

MagicJake wrote:...

I assume you're considering the set-up where you can call one regular phone number from your cell phone for free, and receive calls to your cell phone for free from that one number. This as opposed to the cell phone dock thing. And that you want umlimited free incoming and outgoing calls on your cell phone; Right?

Exactly correct.

MagicJake wrote: Okay here's what I'm saying. Let's say you have no regular phone line at your house or that you don't want to involve your regular phone line in the bridge since someone at home may want to use the line. --Also, you may wish to call someone at your home phone line from your cell phone and use the bridge to do it; so unless you live alone it's best not to involve the regular home phone line.

OK now let's say you buy two magicjacks. And let's say you figure out a way to run both of them on one WindowsXP laptop computer. So the one computer has two little magicjack USB devices coming out of it, each with it's own RJ11 jack (normally for telephones to plug into) and each with their cute little blue lights . And each magicjack USB device has of course it's own telephone number. The two magicjacks will be used for your bridge. One magicjack will be used for the home leg and the other for the cell leg. Let's say that their respective phone numbers are hhh-hhh-hhhh (for the home leg) and ccc-ccc-cccc (for the cell leg). Put the ccc-ccc-cccc number in your T-Mob faves list so you can call it and receive calls from it for free. And let's say your T-Mob cell number is TTT-TTT-TTTT.

Now let's say that you get one of those "FXS to FXO" converters that looks to be about the size of a deck of cards. The converter has two RJ11 jacks on it. Connect each one of those two jacks on the converter box to it's own magicjack RJ11. So you esentially have a loop.

Computer USB#1 ==> home MJ ==> converter RJ11 #1
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Computer USB#2 <=== cell MJ . <=== converter RJ11 #2

Okay, so when you're anywhere in the US and you want to make a free cell phone call to anywhere in the US or Canada, you call ccc-ccc-cccc which is a free "FAVs" number. You enter your four digit pass code. You then hear the dial tone of the home MJ. You then dial Mr. John Smith. Mr. Smith looks at his caller ID and sees hhh-hhh-hhhh. He answers the call and you both talk as long as you like.

A few minutes later Mr. Smith realizes that he forgot to tell you something. His phone has retained your caller ID number so he calls you back at hhh-hhh-hhhh. The converter box is set to "Auto Call Forward / Hot Line" (See description of converter). All calls coming into hhh-hhh-hhhh magicjack will be automatically and immediately forwarded to TTT-TTT-TTTT through the ccc-ccc-cccc magicjack. This function is programmed into the converter box ahead of time. So your T-mob cell phone receives a call from ccc-ccc-cccc which is on it's FAV's list. No Charge! And you see the ccc-ccc-cccc number of the incoming call on your cell phone so you know you can answer it without being charged for minutes. Just give the ccc-ccc-cccc number to all your friends as if it was your cell number. Don't ever give out the real cell number.

And you don't even need an ATA at all to do this. Just the two MJ USB devices and the one "FXS to FXO" converter and the laptop. If you had couldn't get both magicjacks to run on a single laptop you could run them with two laptops I suppose.

Very interesting. A "long" time ago (middle 2007

) I tried this (2 MJs on a single PC) and got it working but wasn't that impressed so I didn't save the info.

MagicJake wrote:If you were using Viatalk which does support BYOD you could use a Lynksys 2102 and loop the converter between Line1 and Line2. This would be really compact and slick and low power.

Viatalk does have a sort of "two line" deal but they just give you only one phone number and both lines ring with that number so that wouldn't work unfortunately.

And as far as the SPA3000 series goes, I know it has a FXO jack but I've never used a 3000 series unit so I can't really comment too much about specifically how to do that. I think maybe you could get The SPA3000 series ATA to bridge without the converter using two Viatalk accounts or something like that. But the two USB magicjacks with the converter box solution would still be the cheapest in the long run due to the minimal fees compared with other VOIP providers.

BTW it looks like the converter box doesn't come with it's own power adaptor and is designed share the power supply of the ATA; I see that there is a power in and a power out. It looks like it says 9-20 volts which is higher than the 5volt SPA2102. You may need to get a seperate DC power adaptor which is no biggie.

Why even this complex? If I understand the converter correctly, I think you can achieve this with even PAP2, Innomedia, AC211 (assuming you can login to your VOIP provider with it) and the converter. Total cost ~$25 + $40 for converter = ~$65 USD vs $75 USD for SPA3000 series.

...

MagicJake wrote:Coool. I'm VERY interested to see if this works out for you. I'm really into this kind of puzzle solving. Be sure to let us know how you make out!

MagicJake

Me too; will let you know

MagicJake wrote:P.S. I added some more findings about GroovyTel in my earlier post.

Cool

MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:26 pm

testing123 wrote:
Why even this complex?
The only reason for the laptop is to use the two magicjack accounts. $20 + $20 = $40 per year as opposed to high monthly fees or 2 cents per minute from other VOIP providers that support BYOD. So you'd keep the fees to a minimum.

If I understand the converter correctly, I think you can achieve this with even PAP2, Innomedia, AC211 (assuming you can login to your VOIP provider with it) and the converter. Total cost ~$25 + $40 for converter = ~$65 USD vs $75 USD for SPA3000 series.

Right. And I'm saying that you may be able to do it with only the 3000 series ATA without the converter, in case you happen to have one kicking around. I'm not sure since I've never used one and if it did work it may not be possible to make it bidirectional. This would not be cheaper either, just more compact / fewer components compared to the regular ATA with two FXS jacks like the 2120 or the PAP2. Pretty much anything would work that could handle two lines combined with the converter. But you would need the two BYOD VOIP accounts in order to use the ATA. I should point out that I have never tried out one of those converters and I am only going by the written description. But it looks like it should work, don't you think?

If you were willing to pay 2 cents per minute for cell phone calls you could use something like Gizmo I suppose. You would only be charged for one leg at a time since the other would always be incoming. So it would be 2 cents per minute for outgiong or for incoming cell phone calls which is not bad. It would be a low risk way to test it out.

Which way do you think you'll go?
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testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:05 am

MagicJake wrote:testing123 wrote:
Why even this complex?
The only reason for the laptop is to use the two magicjack accounts. $20 + $20 = $40 per year as opposed to high monthly fees or 2 cents per minute from other VOIP providers that support BYOD. So you'd keep the fees to a minimum.

If I understand the converter correctly, I think you can achieve this with even PAP2, Innomedia, AC211 (assuming you can login to your VOIP provider with it) and the converter. Total cost ~$25 + $40 for converter = ~$65 USD vs $75 USD for SPA3000 series.

Right. And I'm saying that you may be able to do it with only the 3000 series ATA without the converter, in case you happen to have one kicking around. I'm not sure since I've never used one and if it did work it may not be possible to make it bidirectional. This would not be cheaper either, just more compact / fewer components compared to the regular ATA with two FXS jacks like the 2120 or the PAP2. Pretty much anything would work that could handle two lines combined with the converter. But you would need the two BYOD VOIP accounts in order to use the ATA. I should point out that I have never tried out one of those converters and I am only going by the written description. But it looks like it should work, don't you think?

It definitely SHOULD work w/ the 3000 series -- that is what is used in the POC that illustrates this very setup.

MagicJake wrote:If you were willing to pay 2 cents per minute for cell phone calls you could use something like Gizmo I suppose. You would only be charged for one leg at a time since the other would always be incoming. So it would be 2 cents per minute for outgiong or for incoming cell phone calls which is not bad. It would be a low risk way to test it out.

Which way do you think you'll go?
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I will try the 3102NA first (have it) with IPKALL and then try the dual MJ approach, which I find pretty intriguing.

MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:40 am

testing123 wrote:
It definitely SHOULD work w/ the 3000 series -- that is what is used in the POC that illustrates this very setup.

Sounds good. So I'm guessing you will be feeding your magicjack into the FXO jack of the 3102. I did look a little more closely at the 3102 and it looks like it would require a second standard ATA if you wanted to do it with two BYOD VOIP accounts such as viatalk.

One other thing I was thinking of was that the SPA2102 hardware (2 FXS ports like the device sunrocket provided) might be theoretically capable of doing the entire job with two BYOD accounts even without the converter if it was loaded with custom firmware. But I don't think the linksys firmware allows any bridging of the two SIP lines handled by the unit. So this is only a hypothetical. With the current firmware I think you'd need the FXS to FXO converter. Pity. That would have been "concise".

Someone please chime in if there is in fact any way to bridge the two lines of the SPA2102 by way of the web interface. It looks like the two lines are treated strictly independently. I think that a device similar to the 3102 but with two FXS jacks and one FXO jack could work if you simply looped one of the FXS connections directly back to the FXO with a standard telephone line cord. But I couldn't find any such device.

Again, please let us know how you make out with your errr . . .testing, testing123.
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MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:28 am

I found this "how to" (under construction) talking about using the Dock-n-Talk method with the two cell phones except he doesn't need the Dock-n-Talk. He does the whole thing with an Asterisk box with a blue tooth adapter to communicate with the cell phone.

http://www.thetechguide.com/howto/aster ... tooth.html

Also, I found this, which is similar to the Dock-n-Talk, except rather than connecting with the "home" cell phone by blue tooth or a cable, you take the gsm sim card out of the gsm phone and put it into the unit which has the FXO jack. But it cost's more than the Xlink device and the Dock-n-talk and I don't see any advantage. Just for information.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0194772895

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testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:37 am

MagicJake wrote:testing123 wrote:
It definitely SHOULD work w/ the 3000 series -- that is what is used in the POC that illustrates this very setup.

Sounds good. So I'm guessing you will be feeding your magicjack into the FXO jack of the 3102. I did look a little more closely at the 3102 and it looks like it would require a second standard ATA if you wanted to do it with two BYOD VOIP accounts such as viatalk.

That is what I assumed, i.e., two accounts hooked up to 3102 like this:
("PSTN") BYOD -> ATA -> FXS (RJ11) -> 3102
("VOIP") BYOD -> FXO -> 3102

MagicJake wrote:One other thing I was thinking of was that the SPA2102 hardware (2 FXS ports like the device sunrocket provided) might be theoretically capable of doing the entire job with two BYOD accounts even without the converter if it was loaded with custom firmware. But I don't think the linksys firmware allows any bridging of the two SIP lines handled by the unit. So this is only a hypothetical. With the current firmware I think you'd need the FXS to FXO converter. Pity. That would nave been "concise".

I thought the same; even an old PAP2 has two phone lines. It was be fabulous to find a DD-WRT-like Linux firmware that was basically "Asterisk-on-a-chip" for firmware ... imagine the possibilities??? Now THAT would be cool.

MagicJake wrote:Someone please chime in if there is in fact any way to bridge the two lines of the SPA2102 by way of the web interface. It looks like the two lines are treated strictly independently. I think that a device similar to the 3102 but with two FXS jacks and one FXO jack could work if you simply looped one of the FXS connections directly back to the FXO with a standard telephone line cord. But I couldn't find any such device.

Again, please let us know how you make out with your errr . . .testing, testing123.
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Yes, someone, please do.

I am testing today.

BTW, you have me intrigued by this dual MJ "bridging" concept ... Couldn't you either load "mini" Asterisk (basically a 3102 "firmware") or write a script (like MagicHack did in C# for Spoofer) to handle the "bridging" concept of two MJs in the same PC?

Just curious, because (as least to me) it sounded plausible -- not that I am offering to write the code LOL

testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:52 pm

MagicJake wrote:I found this "how to" (under construction) talking about using the Dock-n-Talk method with the two cell phones except he doesn't need the Dock-n-Talk. He does the whole thing with an Asterisk box with a blue tooth adapter to communicate with the cell phone.

http://www.thetechguide.com/howto/aster ... tooth.html

Also, I found this, which is similar to the Dock-n-Talk, except rather than connecting with the "home" cell phone by blue tooth or a cable, you take the gsm sim card out of the gsm phone and put it into the unit which has the FXO jack. But it cost's more than the Xlink device and the Dock-n-talk and I don't see any advantage. Just for information.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0194772895

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MagicJake: Again, great links!

I had seen that device before but couldn't determine how I could use it ... but you have me wondering -- because I have always wanted some form of Backup for the Home Alarm System (esp. now w/ VOIP that requires electricity + router + internet + ATA + ISP + VOIP ISP to be all working).

It seems like it should be able to provide that type of redundancy ... it would be very interesting.

MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:12 pm

testing123 wrote: I thought the same; even an old PAP2 has two phone lines. It was be fabulous to find a DD-WRT-like Linux firmware that was basically "Asterisk-on-a-chip" for firmware ... imagine the possibilities??? Now THAT would be cool.

The PAP2 uses Linux internally.

Here's the source code for the PAP2 in case anyone wants to take a peek at it.

It's licensed under GPL. Perfectly legal to modify and distribute. It's 38 Meg in size. I don't think the SPA2102 nor the SPA3102 firmwares are under GPL.
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MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:48 pm

testing123 wrote: I had seen that device before but couldn't determine how I could use it ... but you have me wondering -- because I have always wanted some form of Backup for the Home Alarm System (esp. now w/ VOIP that requires electricity + router + internet + ATA + ISP + VOIP ISP to be all working).

It seems like it should be able to provide that type of redundancy ... it would be very interesting.

Okay, an alarm system. I hadn't thought of that but that's probably what it's for. It has a rechargable battery so it would work in a power failure as probably your alarm system has battery backup. And it has an antenna cable so you can make sure the reception is good. You could use the T-Mob prepaid setup since you wouldn't be using any minutes unless your alarm is tripped.

I brought it up of course because it looks like this device would also work for the cell to cell remote access of the magicjack.

testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:08 pm

MagicJake wrote:
testing123 wrote: I had seen that device before but couldn't determine how I could use it ... but you have me wondering -- because I have always wanted some form of Backup for the Home Alarm System (esp. now w/ VOIP that requires electricity + router + internet + ATA + ISP + VOIP ISP to be all working).

It seems like it should be able to provide that type of redundancy ... it would be very interesting.
Okay, an alarm system. I hadn't thought of that but that's probably what it's for. It has a rechargable battery so it would work in a power failure as probably your alarm system has battery backup. And it has an antenna cable so you can make sure the reception is good. You could use the T-Mob prepaid setup since you wouldn't be using any minutes unless your alarm is tripped.

I brought it up of course because it looks like this device would also work for the cell to cell remote access of the magicjack.

Absolutely, oh yes, I know your intent -- and appreciate that. But, it would allow you to do Alarm System (or any "critical" phone system) Backup/Business Continuity WITHOUT additional charges/overhead from the Alarm Company!! And just for that alone ... this little gizmo may be worth the exorbitant (one-time) fee.

testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:09 pm

MagicJake wrote:
testing123 wrote: I thought the same; even an old PAP2 has two phone lines. It was be fabulous to find a DD-WRT-like Linux firmware that was basically "Asterisk-on-a-chip" for firmware ... imagine the possibilities??? Now THAT would be cool.
The PAP2 uses Linux internally.

Here's the source code for the PAP2 in case anyone wants to take a peek at it.

It's licensed under GPL. Perfectly legal to modify and distribute. It's 38 Meg in size. I don't think the SPA2102 nor the SPA3102 firmwares are under GPL.
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Interesting ... very, VERY interesting. :chews more popcorn:

MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:35 pm

testing123 wrote: chews more popcorn:

.............LOL

testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:16 pm

I had completely overlooked this post ... some comments below.

MagicJake wrote:
testing123 wrote: Very interesting article MagicJake.

So I read your link (A Marriage Made in Heaven ...), and obviously, my link (Unlimited Anytime Minutes).

And then read Voxilla Sipura 3000 Config thread.

It seems to me 4 basic ways to do this bridging:

1) Voicestick (or any other VOIP that provides this service) - If you are the pay for it and get the service type of person,
they call it I2Bridge. Not a plug, I have no association w/ them. I found their site while doing this reading

2) Asterisk / Trixbox, etc., of course - If you are a tinkerer and like TOTAL control etc. (and have a lot of time)
The ultimate solution for control, tweaking etc. With great control, comes great responsibility

3) Linksys/Sipura 3102 (or older 3000) - If you are a tinkerer but don't want to have to setup a Server/eat electricity etc. (See voxilla link above, one of many)
Save some trees, get the functionality in one lower power appliance

4) Other (lower model) Linksys/Sipura + any of these FXS/FXO converters as mentioned earlier - If you are #3 above but also very cheap (er, um, "frugal") LOL
Seems to be the "poor man's approach"

Let me know if this makes sense.

I will try #3 first (very soon) with other VOIP I have (since MJ does not support ATA).
Eventually I will try #2 (and possibly even #4)
Yes testing123, everything you're saying looks right to me, including your comments in italics. I hope it's okay if I add my comments as well.

1) Voicestick:

I have Voicestick. Don't like 'em. They lured many into their "Next to Nothing" plan when they first offered it with a "bait and switch". The plan involved 1.9 cents/minute outgoing, no monthly charges, and free incoming calls. And you could port your numbers. It uses PREPAID funds. After I and many others paid them prepaid funds and we ported our numbers, Voicestick then went ahead and charged us monthly fees against our funds we had ALREADY PAID and charged us 1.1 cents/minute for incoming calls which they sold as "free". They began debiting these fees from our prepaid funds without even sending an email saying that they were now charging monthly fees nor offering a refund of fees prepaid. So people's prepaid funds dwindled with the monthly fees, and if they don't pay they'll loose their ported number. My brother is an attorney and I learned a long time ago that this kind of changing of terms of service AFTER a customer has already paid is not a legal contract; even if the original terms say they can do it and you agreed, it's STILL not a legal contract. But companies such as cell phone companies do it anyway because they know no one will bother to sue them over it. I have two accounts still active with Voicestick but I'll leave them behind as soon as I decide where I want to port my numbers which I have had for many years.

As far as the I2Bridge, I have tried it a while ago and it works as described. You can call your voicestick number from your home phone then enter the US number you want to call and you will be connected by VOIP. The way it works is that you go to the Voicestick web portal and activate I2Bridge for your account. You MUST specify the phone number of the one phone you will be calling FROM.(e.g. your home phone or your cell phone). You will only get the "Please enter the number you want to call" message if you call FROM the number you specified. It uses caller ID so you can't be set to block caller ID. So this is a limitation. If anyone else calls your Voicestick number it will ring your Voicestick phone on your ATA and you can answer it.

Another thing they don't tell you is that the I2Bridge will cost you 3 cents per minute if you're on their per minute plan. They charge you not only the 1.9 cents/minute for the outgoing call but also the 1.1 cents/minute for incoming. I had to contact their customer service after trying out the I2Bridge to ask why my funds were being depleated faster than they should be to find out about this. And they did not provide an itemized list of your charges for your phone calls like other companies so they keep the charges a bit of a mistery and it is imposible to figure out where your prepaid funds are going including the monthly fees which just come out of your account without showing up on any invoice. Maybe they changed that part since I haven't checked for a long time. But if you subscribe to the monthly US plan for $20 per month PLUS TAXES AND FEES, then you will not be charged further for I2Bridge calls within the US. If you bridge to international destinations you will pay the per minute international rate for that destination.

This would definately work if you're willing to pay around $25 per month in Voicestick charges so long as you have a cell phone plan that would allow you to call your voicestick number with no per minute charges; but only for outgoing. This solution has the advantage that you need only the Voicestick "line" since it does the bridging. The other three solutions require two lines; one for in and one for out to be bridged.

Great info; thanks ... will definitely stay away. This is why I am SOOOOOO nervous dealing w/ pre-pay in this game; most of us give MJ a pass ONLY because it is "so cheap". But, if you paid for 2nd yr and they die/get sold/require additional fees, then it's anybody's guess.

MagicJake wrote:2)Asterisk / Trixbox, etc

My comments are the same as yours. Great capabilities but lot of time and effort (I've never done it) and a lot of electricity. I posted elseware on the forum about the electricity calculation. If you leave an appliance powered on 24/7 it will cost you around $1.20 per watt per year. In other words, leaving a 150 watt computer on all the time will cost you approximately $180.00 per year. This translates to $15.00 per month. Your computer may use more than 150 watts, especially if you leave the monitor on. You would get some benifit in the winter from a little heat generated, but if you air condition in the summer it will cost you an additional $6.00 per month for an air conditioner compressor to remove the heat generated by a 150 watt appliance left on 24/7. Alternatively a Linksys SPA2102 ATA would cost you less than $0.50 per month since it uses only about 4.5 watts including the inefficiencies of the power adaptor which gets a little warm and contributes some to the loss. (I know that it's 4.5 watts for the SPA2102 because I measured it a while ago. It's about the same if you're on the phone or not).

Ha ha, don't tell me, let me guess ... a Kilawatt, eh? I have one too.

MagicJake wrote:3) Linksys/Sipura 3000 (or 3102)

This is probably the most "elegant" and tidy solution of all. One ATA with one FSO jack and one FXS jack. So the one device acts as the ATA and does the bridging. I don't have a 3102 so I've never tried it but I'm defenately interested to see how you make out.

Will do; testing now.

MagicJake wrote:4) Other (lower model) Linksys/Sipura + any of these FXS/FXO converters as mentioned earlier.

Definately the cheapest which makes it attractive to me LOL. And it should be able to be configured fairly quickly and easily. You could use the converter and connect your PSTN line with your magicjack usb device and you should be in good shape even without an ATA. You can run your magicjack from a laptop to reduce the electricity to around 20 watts or so. If you're using two VOIP accounts that both support ATA such as a SPA2102 you can configure the two lines of the 2102 for the two voip providers (or two lines from a single provider) and simply connect the FXS to FXO converter between "Line1" and "Line2" of the ATA. It appears that this solution would be bidirectional; outgoing and incoming for the cell phone dock. I'm not sure about solution #3. Solution #2 could definately be bidirectional.

Uh, I'm cheap too! But I just decided I NEEDED this functionality and wanted to do it in a way that there was at least SOME published way to do it. After trying this I will definitely try the "poor man's" approach.

MagicJake wrote:----------
Options 2,3, and 4 require two lines, VOIP or otherwise in order to bridge them to get remote access. I have another idea of a way that you would only need one paid providor (e.g. magicjack) to do the remote access bridge with the limitations that it is only for outgoing, and that you are in one of the many cities that has a complementary (free) PSTN to SIP gateway phone number. If you're doing this for the cell phone free minutes then you don't even need to live in one of those cities so long as your cell phone plan allows you to include a US phone number that you can call for free. I think Sprint may restrict you to only your home registered number which wouldn't work. But I think the T-Mobile "faves" would work.

Sprint allows you to designate any # as a "home #" ... no limitations that I am aware of

MagicJake wrote:Here's how it would work:
FreeWorldDialup (FWD) will give you a SIP phone account free of charge. They have been doing this for probably ten years now and it has always been free. This is better than using Gizmo for two reasons. Gizmo uses STUN to connect your calls but FWD uses SIP proxy servers similar to MagicJack which is much less problematic getting the VOIP to work through a router on your network. Additionally Gizmo has been getting quite trickey lately trying to hide fees and charges. FWD will not jerk you around. It is run by Jeff Pulver, a pioneer in VOIP who has a solid track record. You don't need to provide a credit card.

Okay, so what does this do for you?? Well it doesn't exactly give you a regular phone line, but something close enough to use for the incoming leg of your bridge. If you have a standard ATA you can configure it to ring when someone calls your FWD "SIP" number and you can answer the phone connected to your ATA like a regular incoming call. There's never a charge for this. The thing is that a SIP phone number is NOT a PSTN phone number. These numbers have special dedicated area codes that can only be called using the internet. The area code for FWD is 393. A SIP phone number can not be called from a PSTN phone; at least not directly. But many kind souls around the world are providing complementary (i.e. free) PSTN to SIP gateway phone numbers to allow us to call SIP numbers from regular PSTN phone lines as often as we like free of charge. If you call one of these many gateway numbers you are then asked to enter your SIP number that you got from FWD. So if you call into one of these gateway numbers then enter your SIP number provided to you for free from FWD you can bridge this incoming call to your Magicjack USB device for example. So you don't need to involve your home PSTN line for the incoming leg. And rather than using the gateway numbers you could also use a softphone or a regular hardware phone with an ATA from anywhere in the world to call your sip number and bridge to your magicjack so long as you had broadband access and a PC.

Yeah, I have been using FWD & IPKALL. I was wondering what the big deal was w/ FWD because ALL my fellow geek friends talk about it more than Gizmo.

This, by extension, would make you somewhat of a geek as well.

MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:08 am

testing123 wrote:This, by extension, would make you somewhat of a geek as well.

................BINGO

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testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:00 pm

Haven't gotten it to work 100% yet ... but I am still VERY impressed! Can dial in on PSTN and get Pin# Prompt and Dialtone out to other VOIP provider account! (I think what is holding me back is dialplan type stuff that I have to figure out)

The 3102 *IS* like "Asterisk-In-Box" ... the features are amazing!!

That's probably why I haven't gotten it going ... so many options it is mind boggling

... have had to use Voxilla Config Wizard to set it up.

:chews more popcorn:

Man, this is going to be FUN!! And, save $$$ at the same time!

What this setup will have over the "Poor Man's setup" (of course) will be the integration into a single device that I can control/reconfigure via a single web interface/remotely ... I don't know if you can do that w/ the eBay FXS/FXO adapters.

This thing can do the same thing bi-directionally w/ or w/o a PIN (CELL->PSTN->VOIP, VOIP->PSTN->CELL) AND VOIP<->VOIP<->CELL ... simply amazing.

GEEK'S NOTE: AT THIS POINT, THIS THREAD REALLY DOESN'T HAVE MUCH TO DO W/ MAGICJACK SO MUCH BECAUSE WE ARE USING OTHER PROVIDERS THAT SUPPORT BYOD FOR VOIP. EXCEPT MAYBE FOR USING THE MJ RJ11 JACK TO PROVIDE THE "PSTN" SIDE

digitalnomad · Post by **digitalnomad** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:26 pm

OK Testing 123...we know that you are excited, but this thread is getting kinda fuzzy as to what you are actually testing.

Can you kindly do a recap in a detailed step-by-step that you have become well known for on these boards?

No rush...take your time. I promise to have the popcorn ready.

SpamBox · Post by **SpamBox** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:00 pm

testing123 wrote:Haven't gotten it to work 100% yet ... but I am still VERY impressed! Can dial in on PSTN and get Pin# Prompt and Dialtone out to other VOIP provider account! (I think what is holding me back is dialplan type stuff that I have to figure out)

The 3102 *IS* like "Asterisk-In-Box" ... the features are amazing!!

That's probably why I haven't gotten it going ... so many options it is mind boggling ... have had to use Voxilla Config Wizard to set it up.

You've probably already seen this but just in case: Guide to the Linksys SPA-3102

testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:04 pm

SpamBox wrote:
testing123 wrote:Haven't gotten it to work 100% yet ... but I am still VERY impressed! Can dial in on PSTN and get Pin# Prompt and Dialtone out to other VOIP provider account! (I think what is holding me back is dialplan type stuff that I have to figure out)

The 3102 *IS* like "Asterisk-In-Box" ... the features are amazing!!

That's probably why I haven't gotten it going ... so many options it is mind boggling ... have had to use Voxilla Config Wizard to set it up.
You've probably already seen this but just in case: Guide to the Linksys SPA-3102

Thanks, yup read it, and a bunch of links last night

That one doesn't scratch the surface of the "Gateway" function it does ... it is an incredible little device, seriously. But that gateway stuff is not so easy.

digitalnomad wrote:OK Testing 123...we know that you are excited, but this thread is getting kinda fuzzy as to what you are actually testing.

Can you kindly do a recap in a detailed step-by-step that you have become well known for on these boards?

No rush...take your time. I promise to have the popcorn ready.

Don't hold your breath dude ... I am not a "blogger"

Folks are going to have to read the thread for now. I'll do an update once it is going.

SpamBox wrote:
mufon wrote: Try this, using a softphone or any sip peer on a different computer than jack, make a sip-to-sip call to your jack by simply calling it by ip address. Works doesn't it? Now you know you can route sip traffic to and from jack without proxy or authentication.
[sup]{slapping self on forehead!}[/sup] I can't believe I hadn't even thought of trying that before! Nice Work!

@mufon: You know I am FINALLY understanding the significance of this!! Could use this w/ SPA3000/3102 and TWO MJ's WITHOUT needing BYOD service using SIP! Interesting ...

SpamBox · Post by **SpamBox** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:02 am

testing123 wrote:
SpamBox wrote:
mufon wrote: Try this, using a softphone or any sip peer on a different computer than jack, make a sip-to-sip call to your jack by simply calling it by ip address. Works doesn't it? Now you know you can route sip traffic to and from jack without proxy or authentication.
[sup]{slapping self on forehead!}[/sup] I can't believe I hadn't even thought of trying that before! Nice Work!
@mufon: You know I am FINALLY understanding the significance of this!! Could use this w/ SPA3000/3102 and TWO MJ's WITHOUT needing BYOD service using SIP! Interesting ...

Looks like I might have to invest into a SPA3102! Just did a little price shopping, looks around $70 give or take. About what you paid, testing123?

testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:09 am

SpamBox wrote:
testing123 wrote:
SpamBox wrote: [sup]{slapping self on forehead!}[/sup] I can't believe I hadn't even thought of trying that before! Nice Work!
@mufon: You know I am FINALLY understanding the significance of this!! Could use this w/ SPA3000/3102 and TWO MJ's WITHOUT needing BYOD service using SIP! Interesting ...
Looks like I might have to invest into a SPA3102! Just did a little price shopping, looks around $70 give or take. About what you paid, testing123?

Yup, right around the mark, got mine from TelephonyDepot.com, $69.95USD+shipping (their shipping was cheaper than others); came out a few $ less than voxilla. And they take PayPal.

Had never dealt w/ them before. Their ordering process seemed super efficient and communicative so I have no complaints.

PS: Make sure it is the SPA3102-NA (Unlocked); if you are going to spend that $, might as well get the "real deal" and not screw around w/ one that can be reprovisioned/locked on you. Also, if you are outside the US, it seems there are other two-letter combos after the "3102" that MAY signify the Unlocked version in another country -- that part just requires a bit of googling.

MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:59 am

testing123 wrote: This thing can do the same thing bi-directionally w/ or w/o a PIN (CELL->PSTN->VOIP, VOIP->PSTN->CELL) AND VOIP<->VOIP<->CELL ... simply amazing.

testing123:
Are you saying that the 3102 can bridge two BYOD VOIP lines internally all by itself without having to feed one of the VOIP lines into the FXO port from another ATA or from a usb MJ and without needing a regular landline? That's pretty amazing capability. Pass the popcorn.

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testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:12 am

MagicJake wrote:
testing123 wrote: This thing can do the same thing bi-directionally w/ or w/o a PIN (CELL->PSTN->VOIP, VOIP->PSTN->CELL) AND VOIP<->VOIP<->CELL ... simply amazing.
testing123:
Are you saying that the 3102 can bridge two BYOD VOIP lines internally all by itself without having to feed one of the VOIP lines into the FXO port from another ATA or from a usb MJ and without needing a regular landline? That's pretty amazing capability. Pass the popcorn.
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Yes, that is what is looks like to me -- it has Line1 and PSTN designation for them but you can set both up with SIP authentication etc and bridge them either direction w/ and w/o a "PIN"

It is a little sad that the thing comes with NO documentation so you have to find the info online.

Got butter?

PS: Now here is the rub: if you are using the same provider that can ONLY do the SIP communication on one specific port, I don't know how that would work with two lines. Since the device has a single IP, and let's say signalling is on port 5060, for example, I don't know what would happen then attempting to bridge two accounts from that provider.

testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:57 am

For anyone interested, some links I have found useful from (surprise, surprise) the Linksys web site for the 3102:

1) Explaining Dial Plans
2) Forwarding PSTN Calls to a VOIP number on SPA-3102 (note: this is to a single "Hotline" #)
3) Understanding SIP Messages

MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:35 pm

testing123 wrote:
Yes, that is what is looks like to me -- it has Line1 and PSTN designation for them but you can set both up with SIP authentication etc and bridge them either direction w/ and w/o a "PIN"

Okay I took a look and I think you're right! I wasn't expecting that capability; --That's really awesome.

testing123 wrote:Got butter?

I'm bringin' pizza and a cold keg.

testing123 wrote:PS: Now here is the rub: if you are using the same provider that can ONLY do the SIP communication on one specific port, I don't know how that would work with two lines. Since the device has a single IP, and let's say signalling is on port 5060, for example, I don't know what would happen then attempting to bridge two accounts from that provider.

For both lines, under the "Voice" - "Line1" and "Line2" tabs, in the "Proxy and Registration" section, try using the same port required by the VOIP provider's proxy server for both Line1 and Line2 using the format whatever.server.com:port as I'm sure you are probably already doing. Now, above this section in the "Sip Settings" section try using "5060" for Line1 and "5061" for Line2 in the "SIP Port" field. I don't think these numbers have to match the port number after the colon on the proxy server. Maybe I'm completely wrong about this since there's a lot I don't know but it's easy enough to try.

MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:56 pm

Here's a very useful tool that people wishing to "put our heads together" can use to help testing123 with his SPA3102 configuration and testing. Click HERE ---->SPA3102
Please continue to keep us posted testing123. The pizza should be there soon.

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testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:48 pm

MagicJake wrote:Here's a very useful tool that people wishing to "put our heads together" can use to help testing123 with his SPA3102 configuration and testing. Click HERE ---->SPA3102
Please continue to keep us posted testing123. The pizza should be there soon.
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Nice link again MagicJake! Aww hell, we might as well have a Tailgate & Block Party once we solve this ...

BTW, one quibble that I have about the 3102 so far ...
There seems no way to use HTTPS (port 443) during Remote Admin ... i.e., though you can pick any port you want, it is all HTTP (Clear Text). That's a bit disappointing if you care about Security while you mod the config remotely. You would have to Tunnel the HTTP over SSH to secure the traffic.

Back at it and will let you know.

MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:29 am

testing123--
This fellow says he has created a Windows Executable:
SPA3102 Config Saver and Restorer.
I don't know whether it works properly or not. Nor have I checked it for viruses. Maybe it will help you.
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testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:41 am

MagicJake wrote:testing123--
This fellow says he has created a Windows Executable:
SPA3102 Config Saver and Restorer.
I don't know whether it works properly or not. Nor have I checked it for virus'. Maybe it will help you.
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MagicJake: Thanks. I will try that eventually, carefully ... I am always leery of downloads like this.

So far the two most helpful configurators seem to be:

1) Linksys SPA-3000 Configurator. Very basic
2) Voxilla SPA-3102/3000 Configurator. Requires registration @ Voxilla's site.
(FYI: this one is SPA-3102/3000 Configurator for Asterisk.)

XD45 · Post by **XD45** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:03 am

update?

testing123 · Post by **testing123** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:45 am

XD45 wrote:update?

LOL, sorry newb

, have had to deal with "real" life; probably won't be able to complete it until this weekend.

So far:
1) Able to do Cell -> PSTN
2) Get prompted for PIN
3) Enter PIN, get VOIP dialtone
4) Dial intended # but get "fast busy" (no matter how I structure the digits, etc)

I'll mess w/ it this weekend to get at least 1 direction going (Outbound is higher priority than Inbound right now) and give an update.

MagicJake · Post by **MagicJake** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 12:05 am

I case anyone wants to bridge two USB MagicJacks remotely, the "converter" which should do the job which was referred to earlier on ebay is it turns out made by SIPCPE. The model is the FX-200. On their web site is a link to FAQs plus other documentation including a quick start guide and a programming guide.

Here are some sample configurations.

And here's a pic pf the FX-200.

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They also have a FX-300 which takes a GSM SIM to do the whole enchelada for the "Cell to Cell" free calls. A bit pricey at $350 though. You would need a SIM with a paid subscription, on your "family plan" for example.

I think the FX-200 would work well as a bridge using two USB magicjacks plugged into it. His and hers

(Haven't tried it though.)

Keep us posted on the BYOD solution, testing123.

MagicJake
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XD45 · Post by **XD45** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:10 am

testing123 wrote:
XD45 wrote:update?
LOL, sorry newb , have had to deal with "real" life; probably won't be able to complete it until this weekend.

So far:
1) Able to do Cell -> PSTN
2) Get prompted for PIN
3) Enter PIN, get VOIP dialtone
4) Dial intended # but get "fast busy" (no matter how I structure the digits, etc)

I'll mess w/ it this weekend to get at least 1 direction going (Outbound is higher priority than Inbound right now) and give an update.

Thanks and I will be rooting for you! Please keep us updated. Pizza and beer on your way...