HP Thin Client and Magic Jack

dims24 · Post by **dims24** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:18 am

Hi HolmanGT,
Just wanted to let you know that I tried TV on my wifes pc today and it worked fine. No problems with the password.

And I have been using my backup pc today and it has been working great. A few hiccups I think becaus my wireless network card on that pc only goes about 12mps sometimes. I know that is still pretty fast but maybe TV bogs it down or something and TV doesn't want to connect. Then I reboot and its working again.

Anyway, I'm happy with the performance of TV and looking forward to using it on a TC with MJ soon. Thanks! Mike

iamtek7 · Post by **iamtek7** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:42 pm

I ran into an issue where the TC consistantly gave BSOD's. No matter what I did, could not get any stability on the TC.
After some research, I determined the RAM I had was bad (512MB Kingston).

Good news, Warranty replacement!

Through my ordeal in getting this T5700 rolling, I was able to get ahold of a few 256MB RAM sticks, but since my Kingston is going to be replaced, I have a few of these 256 sticks leftover.

Not sure if anyone will need it, but if anyone runs into an issue w/bad RAM, PM me and we'll work out getting you a 256 stick cheap.

This is NOT the FLASH drive.

mjscott · Post by **mjscott** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:31 am

Just wanted to say thanks to HolmanGT. He went way above and beyond to get my thin client to work. Now it is working flawlessly.
I hope I can return the favor some day!!!

and thanks to everyone else who has taken the time to post all the great information!!!

Thanks Again!

Scott

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:36 pm

Scott,

Your going to give me the "Big Head", thank for the flowers.

Did your incoming hold up? I don't think that is anything on your end, but something they finally fixed in their Data Baste.

PS - I am a great believer in "what goes around comes around". God I wish I knew what that meant. Anyway it sounds neat.

mohoelx · Post by **mohoelx** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:36 pm

This thread has clearly settled on a bias for HP T57xx TC's. Is this because they are the only ones that work or is it because it is the platform most plentiful that was first figured out?

I ask being very cheap.... I see some other TC's on ebay that come cheaper, so just wondering....

iamtek7 · Post by **iamtek7** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:54 pm

OK. It's official.

I got Java installed on a 256/256 T5700! (albeit it was a previous release from the HP site).

I was able to get Version: 1.5.0.3 B on the TC but not the latest release.

Now like I said, I got it installed, but then not much luck thereafter!

I tried 'numerous' attempts at squeezing all I could off the Flash drive, which I think will have enough room for the latest release from HP, Even expanding the Z drive out to the full 64MB (which severly slows down the TC) but even after (in a very bad Star Trekkie voice) "I'm givin' it all she's got Captain", still no go.

Going to Magicfix forces an activex install of J2SE 5.0 Update 14 that is just too damn big.

No it is IMBO that the version of Java needed for the Magicfix will not run on a 256/256 TC.

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:59 pm

mohoelx,

Well I started using the HPs because someone else suggested them. I had never heard of a thin client before I read about them on this forum. I would think they would all work as well as the HP maybe even better. And I am with you "mohoelx" (God I would love to know how to pronounce that) the other brands are give-aways compared to the HP units.

What I have been meaning to do and just keep forgetting to do is go look at some of the different vendor sites like Wyse, they have been making terminals forever and I have used their equipment in the past. Actually I got off on a tangent, what I wanted to say is I want to check out their site and see if they provide the same support that HP does. If they provide the software support and documentation that HP does I wouldn't have any qualms about giving one of them a try.

Actually now that you have my adrenalin up just as soon as I get caught up on my email I am going to go check out the Wyse site and see what they have to offer.

Please whomever gets one first let the rest of us know how you fair. You may save this penny pinching MJ group a lot of money, at least until we drive the prices up like we did with the HP units. I will also post back here and let you and the rest of the gang know what I find.

PS - The reference to "Penny Pinching" was not meant to be derogatory but people that buy unlimited phone service for $12 to $20 dollars a year that gets amortized out in about two months are generally not the kind of people that are looking for a Cray Supercomputer to run it on.

dims24 · Post by **dims24** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:01 am

Don't forget the thin client must support WinXP or Vista. I saw most of the off brands didn't. MJ wants one or the other.

A little update.....
Got my TC today (HP 5710) and already got my magicjack.

Now I'm getting ready to do all the tricks listed in this topic to get the TC ready.....

MJ wouldn't show up on My big pc..... made everything freeze. Maybe cuz I have 3 hardrives with 10 partitions. Maybe MJ can't find a place to put itself

Then on my spare pc, I can use the MJ softphone with headset to call and receive, but none of my phones work.
I get the tone but when I dial, nothing happens. The softphone doesn't show the numbers as I dial.
Maybe the usb ports are 1.0 or somthing and MJ can't get enough juice to my phones.

Anyway I hope the TC will get things running smooth.

Thanks everyone with your help.... Mike

dims24 · Post by **dims24** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:11 am

Ok,
I fired up my new TC and everything looks good except I can't use my wired keyboard. Can I do something to get it working?
Thanks, Mike

iamtek7 · Post by **iamtek7** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:27 am

dims24,

Are you using a PS2 type or USB keyboard? You may need to use a USB KB.only as there have been some posts here regarding attempting to use a PS2 type and it not working.

Keep us posted.

VaHam · Post by **VaHam** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:41 am

dims24 wrote:Ok,
I fired up my new TC and everything looks good except I can't use my wired keyboard. Can I do something to get it working?
Thanks, Mike

There is a bios setting which can make the PS2 keyboard connector instead be a PS2 mouse input. A couple of the ones I got came setup that way. You can use a straight USB keyboard to get into the bios via F10 on boot up and then change that setting back to PS2 keyboard on the PS2 connector. BTW a USB to PS2 adapter will not work! You have to start with a true USB keyboard.

You can also leave USB keyboard and mouse enable in the bios. That way you will then be able to use either a PS2 keyboard or a USB keyboard. You can live with just a keyboard on boot up to get control but not with just a mouse and USB mice are cheap.

dims24 · Post by **dims24** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:52 pm

Thanks for your help....
Got it!
Mike

dims24 · Post by **dims24** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:12 pm

Hi guys,
I can't get the TC-5710 winxpe exe to format my flash drive so i can load the image.

I have a USB FLASH DRIVE stick SAMSUNG MEMORY 8GB.

When I click on the exe, I then select usb. then its says it will format the usb drive.

But then it says:

"An unexpected error occured while writing to the USB flash device.
Check to insure that the USB flash device is connected properly and is not write protected and that the device is of sufficient capacity to hold the recovery image and tools."

So then I went to "My computer" and right clicked on the flash drive and selected format. That went fine so I'm at aloss as to why the exe wont proceed with the formatting.

The flash drive is plenty big enough and I move files to it and move them off of the drive with no problems.

Any ideas?

Thanks, Mike

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:28 pm

dims24,

I am have a little trouble following what you are saying. Do you just want to re-image your C drive? If so you don't have to format anything. Just run the EXE image file and point to the USB drive. and it will make it a bootable image.

Now there may be a problem with your big stick

so to speak. The thin client stuff does not like the new type flash memory and if you have not removed the U3 crap it will not like it at all.

Go to staples pick up a 1 GB PNY (not lexar crap). They only want 12 bucks and it does not have any U3 or security junk on it.

I never could get my client to except a SanDisk 4 GB USB stick. It uses the new type flash.

You can get a U3 remover from SanDisk or U3.org but I don't think it will help with the new style flash, but as long as the U3 or security software is on a Thumb Drive none of them will work.

dims24 · Post by **dims24** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:42 am

Thanks for your help HolmanGT,

You pretty much figured out my post. I will get one of the sticks you talk about.

In the meantime, the current XPe image appers to be fresh. So I'm working with that.....Got everything modified and installed MJ and teamviewer.

Can't switch from headset to phone so I need to do the upgrade and instal the 2 sys files you supplied for us. Maybe tomorrow.

Slow but sure, hehehe!
Mike

iamtek7 · Post by **iamtek7** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:20 am

HELLO....

ANYBODY HERE....

Did everyone crawl in the closet with the TC and hide?

Where's the problems & issues?

HolmanGT, sparkbox & others are bored.

VaHam · Post by **VaHam** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:52 am

iamtek7 wrote:HELLO....

ANYBODY HERE....

Did everyone crawl in the closet with the TC and hide?

Where's the problems & issues?

HolmanGT, sparkbox & others are bored.

You know I was thinking Yesterday. Now the thin client is no fun anymore. Mine has been sitting in the back room serving up MJ for weeks now without a hiccup. Where is the fun in that

sparkbox · Post by **sparkbox** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:37 am

iamtek7 wrote:HELLO....

ANYBODY HERE....

Did everyone crawl in the closet with the TC and hide?

Where's the problems & issues?

HolmanGT, sparkbox & others are bored.

I have had nothing to say. No problems or issues to report - I havent even had to perform a reset.

So, I guess I am bored

sparkbox

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:21 pm

sparkbox wrote:
iamtek7 wrote:HELLO....

ANYBODY HERE....

Did everyone crawl in the closet with the TC and hide?

Where's the problems & issues?

HolmanGT, sparkbox & others are bored.

I have had nothing to say. No problems or issues to report - I havent even had to perform a reset.

So, I guess I am bored

sparkbox

I'll second SparkBox,

I have even started to notice a change in my appearance. I think I am retrogressing physically and mentally back to the level of my Appalachian ancestors. And I can't remember what the difference between my wife and my sister is, is probably not doing much to help the Appalachian genetic pool either. Have I shown any of you pictures of myself lately. I am not positive but I do think the the genetic slippage thru a lack of exercise for my body mind and soul is definitely taking a toll.

Does anyone have a Banjo I can barrow for a few days, I suddenly have this urge to sit on the front poarch and do a little moon-shine and picken.

dims24 · Post by **dims24** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:16 am

Ok I'll bla bla bla

Got my Magic Jack and while waiting for my TC, I tried it out on my main pc. Plugged it in and .....nothin! It was like my puter didn't even see MJ.
This pc is optimizes for audio recording, has a pro audio card, 3 hard rives and about 10 partitions. Bunch of usb stuff, etc.

So who knows why its not working.

Soooooo,
I then installed MJ on my spare pc.... an old HP 1 gig processor corporate thing I bought on Ebay for 100.00.

MJ did load on that one and I could use my head set but not a phone.

______ THE GOOD NEWS________!!!

I have MJ working nicely on my TC (5710 256/256) hardwired into my router with wireless internet. My top speed is only about a meg down and 300 up.

I had the usual problems and also had to clean the extra junk off the TC.

The first phone I used is an old T&T with a metal ringer. I could here on my end but nothing on their end. the phone did ring but I couldn't dial out. had to use the soft phone to dial.

Finally plugged my Sony SPP-111 cord less phone into MJ and Poof!! Is working well. I'm really surprised at the quality of the calls. I pay 3.00 a month for a yahoo phone number and I had to go through yahoo messenger to make my calls. Pretty crappy but worked ok if my internet was fast enough. Seems like anything under 200 and yahoo would hardly work.

Tonight my internet speed is only 200. my wireless internet has another t1 on order and a router to handle the extra load from all the new customers. So in a couple of weeks I should be going at least 800.

My wife and my next door neighbor also use this internet connection via wireless network as well as my main pc. The thin client sits right next to the router so it hard wired.

This MJ I bought o Ebay. Its an older one (pink) so I had to do the upgrade which seems to install some audio sys files.

This whole setup is real trick. I wish I had gotten a TC with 512/512 so I could install java and a few other things. I may spring for the larger flash but I'm in no hurry and will look for a deal.

I l;hove my TC and the setup looks like it will take over my yahoo phone soon. I got rid of my land phone some months ago.

Well that's it. If I can be of help to anyone just ask.
And thanks a bunch to all the guys here for their posts. Couldn't have done it without you.

And the thin client is like a miracle. Thanks to the OP...Saint Heritage227

Over and out!!
Mike

kulumbaa · Post by **kulumbaa** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:43 pm

Hello Guys thanks for a wonderful thread, i have had this MJ for a few months but havent used it much cuz of this pc 24/7 thing

this thin client intrigues me however there seems to be mostly 192/256 available on ebay.

would you guys advice for me to pick one of those up or should i hold out for a 256/256 or even when am lucky to find a 512/512.

thanks all for your replies in advance.

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:00 pm

If you purchase the 192/256 you will have to purchase a 256 flash drive at $55 dollars.

256/256 in the minimum as far as I am concerned and 512/512 is very nice and give you a lot more leg room for things like remote control clients and such.

The 192 units I have seen are selling for basically the same price at the 256 units so you can save yourself the $55 dollars by not having to buy the upgrade flash drive. And if you can find a 512 unit you will be very pleased with your technical purchasing skills.

PS - if you are not hurting in the pocket book take a look at the T5720s they are excellent machines and generally come with a lot more memory.

northwst · Post by **northwst** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:13 pm

well this is the first post for me, but I have been following this thread daily... I purchased two 512/256 TC's from ebay the other day.... so if I can get one of them going without much trouble I will be willing to sell the other.... not looking to make any money on it... but I did have to buy a power supply for it so there is the price of the unit + shipping.... the power supply price + shipping... and then shipping to whomever wants it. I have approx. $95.00 in one so far. we can use paypal for the sale. or I can list it on ebay.

BTW great thread awesome info. in here.

I will post with my install when I do it... hopefully there will be no issues.

kulumbaa · Post by **kulumbaa** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:18 pm

northwest i would be interested in one of those

thnx

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:38 pm

northwst,

Well for your first post you are going to get a lot of attention from the folks here. Actually I will help you sell the spare, once you use a thin client for your MJ you will never go back to using your PC and wonder why you didn't do it sooner.

Also I notice you did not mention what models you have T5700, 10, or 20, CPU speed and you didn't define which was which on the memory. IF your units are 512 flash and 256 ram it is is very inexpensive to up them to 512/512 for about $30 dollars and the extra ram helps speed them up a little albeit they are pretty fast machines right out of the box. The Ram they use is regular laptop memory PC2700 SODIMMs. Hope you don't feel like I am picking on you the professionals on eBay leave all those details out also. Oh - one more thought comes to mind do you have the base stands for them? If not they cost about $16 dollars, but watch out the is one clown out there selling them for $50 bucks, he should be locked up for piracy (and no I am not laughing or joking).

Anyway if you have never set one up Mr. northwst I would be more than glad to help in anyway I can. I have become pretty comfortable messing with them and would be more than willing to walk you thru any little hurtles over the phone, just let me know. They are actually very, very simple to setup just a couple of things you need to know to get them to cooperate. Once past that hurtle they are normal XPe SP2 machines.

PS - "I will post with my install when I do it... hopefully there will be no issues." there is two potential issue, if you have a unit that uses the ALi USB drivers the "New MJ units" don't like them, just switch them to the M$ enhanced USB drivers and all will be fine (they are already on-board the TC) and the other that happens once in a blue moon is it can't find the all the drivers. If this happens just tell it you will browse to the location all but the last one live in system32\drivers and the last one lives in \system32. None of this is a problem but when it catches you off guard you can think it is the end of the world.

northwst · Post by **northwst** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:53 pm

I did'nt want to post exactly what it is because I dont have it in hand yet....but it says it is this:
Description
Compaq
HP
t5710 Terminal Station
Compaq EVO
512/256 Spare 390637-001
1.2GHz Monitor Not Included
Mouse and Keyboard not included AC Adapter Not Included Software Disk Not Included 4 USB Ports on Back

Onboard NIC, Audio Ports, Video, Serial Port Floppy Drive CD Drive not included

item number is: 200216563728

the 1.2ghz is throwing me off as to really what it is 5710 or some upgraded 5710

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:15 pm

Most of the T5710s are 1.2 GHz CPUs.

from the add I would guess the 512 is the flash but you won't know for sure until you get it. Some of the sellers IMHO are not very savvy with what they are selling.

But eve if it is the 256 flash, you are in great shape. I built one for my daughter that was 256/256 and still had enough room to add a remote client so she could manipulate it without having to hook up a keyboard, Monitor and mouse.

I think you are good to go no matter which way the memory turns out to be, It is a damn good think you didn't pop for one of his 192/256 units. That is just to small. I have heard it is doable but I wouldn't want to try if I didn't have to.

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:11 am

I just won a 5700 and a 5710 off ebay from a seller for a total of $90 shipped. Both have 256MB RAM. The description didn't mention if they had flash memory or not, but I contacted several ebayers who bought t5700s from this same seller previously and 2 responded saying theirs did have 256mb flash. They both have power adapters too, so either I got a really good deal or I hosed myself

Plan on using one for the MJ and another for FreeNAS.

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:55 pm

stroths,

You are just trying to make the rest of us look like poor auction buyers.

That really is a good price and as long as the flash is 256 or better you made super deal.

And getting your MJ off your main computer is kind of nice also. By the way just to get your adrenaline up When I run Testyourvoip, my Thin client out preforms my Dell XPS and receives a significantly better score, the one that is just below "Like being their". And that is while I am logged into the thin client watching the test run over a remote access client (additional overhead). I won't say what the difference in price between my XPS and the Thin Client is but I will say it is several orders of magnitude. "Go-Figure"

kulumbaa · Post by **kulumbaa** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:25 pm

yeah that is an excellent deal i cant seem to find any such deals on ebay, there seems to be a bunch of 192/256 and am gonna listen to Holmans advice and not spend money on one of those units.

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:34 pm

kulumbaa,

And it is good advice, not just because it is my advice either.

It is too damn hard to make one work because of the small flash memory, and you can not find a 256 flash for the T5710s anywhere. If you did get lucky and find one they sell anywhere from $100 to $175 dollars for a 256. So obviously you could buy a complete Thin Client with 256/256 and if you are lucky a 512f/256r for the same money.

The ram upgrades are cheap, it is conventional laptop DDR SODIMMS and you can buy 512 units on line for about $35 dollars.

If you really want to Cadillac keep your eyes peeled for a 512/512 unit. Then you can add things like I did for a friend. His unit sits in the corner someplace and handles his MJ and monitors his two email clients and to access it I used TeamView-3 (also free). I used Pop-Peeper for that task. The nice things about Pop-Peeper is it is free, handles several accounts and allows you to send mail also. I have not looked at it yet but you may also be able to get Java on it so you can run MagicFIX.

I just installed Java on my T5720 1GB/1GB and it is really handy. I can now check for upgrades and run MagicFIX on my thin client. Prior to installing Java I would have to plug my MJ into my laptop, now I have one stop shopping so to speak.

Regards,

dims24 · Post by **dims24** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:33 am

Hi,
I was thinking about this.....

I saw in cmos/bios(whatever) setup, where you can change the boot-up device, there were 3 options:
boot from flash, or usb device, and something about network.

So I'm wondering if you hi-tech guys know if there's a way to start up the TC remotely. Maybe with a setting in the router or something.

Any ideas?

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:22 am

dims24,

If you mean turn the thin client on from a power off state the answer is yes.

Have you noticed that the Ethernet connection light does not turn off when you turn off the thin client. The Network card is not off just asleep if you send it a wakeup packet it will turn the Thing Client on. There is a couple of different types of data packets you can send to most Ethernet cards to wake them up and they intern will wake up the computer on most systems.

As fare as what it boots from you could have a thumb drive with a bootable OS on it or some sever out on the network can have a bootable OS file. There is just a whole world of tricks like that. Have you ever notice on most Ethernet cards that big empty dual inline socket, that is for a boot chip. If you have a bootable EEprom plugged in and a jumper set it will event boot the system off of that.

PS - The wakeup packet can be sent from anywhere in the universe that has access to your network.

dims24 · Post by **dims24** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:43 am

Wow that's cool HolmanGT!!

So can you explain how to send this packet and where do I get this packet? Can I send it from my main pc.

Hope you will give some abc's as I know nothing about this and I think many of us would be interested in setting this up.

I think I would like to remotely turn the TC off every nite and on every morning as I'm sitting in my lazy boy playing with my main pc and watchin the tube. My TC is in another room hard wired to my router.

thanks a lot for your help......
Mike

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:03 pm

dims24,

I am pressed for time but a lot of remote clients will send a wakeup packet. as far as shutting it down if you are connected to the Thine Client thru a remote control client just hit the shut down button and it is off.

For the moment just Google wakeup packets or Magic Packets and you will learn more than you ever wanted to know.

zhotster · Post by **zhotster** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:44 pm

I'm pretty excited! I was able to purchase a Wyse XP Embedded thin client at a good price! I run an IT department and we have 250 plus thin clients, but only one is the XP embedded model. It's in storage right now and we own the imaging solutions sold by Wyse. I'll be able to save the image from the one at work and then reimage the one I bought. The machines is 256/256 on flash and memory. I'm crossing my fingers that this will be a good deal!

Thanks to everyone that contributed on this thread! I'll follow-up once I get the unit and can test it. It's possible that this unit will work so the users here have another option to purchase!

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:05 pm

zhotster,

Disclaimer - I just finished a post in another thread about "IT" people don't read it and beside the devil made me say it.

zhotster, where it the hell have you been for the last month. With the resources and expertise you have at hand on the Wyse units it should be like shooting ducks on a pond.

I can't imagine any reason why they would not work as well or better than the HP units. and generally the prices I have seen on eBay make the HP units look like they must be gold plated.

Please keep us posted on how this exercise goes and what ever insider information we need to take advantage of the great prices available on the Wyse units.

PS - The ones you use at work are XP embedded and not CE correct? Also I have worked for some pretty big corporations and never even heard of these things before. It is hard to believe that something that is obviously used as much as I have come to believe they are could remain such a major secret.

I am not "IT" but probably one of your arch rivals, I am a controls engineer and if you work in or around a manufacturing facility you know exactly why I consider "IT" and "Controls Engineering arch enemies. A lot of my equipment always seemed to somehow come in conflict with yours especially when I used the network for Data Acquisition or to allow one Manufacturing line to talk to another Manufacturing line, or set some Manufacturing Engineer up to do remote control and data analysis from his desk (off the production floor). OK I am way off on a tangent what I wanted to say is I could think of a hundred situation in which I was forced to use some huge desk-top computer in my machine control applications and just finding a place to stash stuff like that ... well a Thin Client would have made my whole life a lot easier.

zhotster · Post by **zhotster** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:44 pm

HolmanGT, I wish I could actually help everyone out, but you see I'm no longer an active IT person, I'm a stinking manager (completely administrative for about 6 years). I brought thin clients in my workplace while was I was still hands on and have tried quite a few of them. All of them have been Windows CE units, except for the one single embedded unit we bought 3-4 years ago for a special purpose (which I can't remember why). We've had different version of Wyse units, all CE.

Wyse uses a "free" software called Rapport to manage groups of thin clients. It allows you to manage the images on the thin clients, so you can "ghost" new units with the shortcuts, network settings, applications that you want on them. I'm not sure how I'm going to get mine set up yet, I may deploy a factory Wyse imagine, I guess it depends on what's available. I don't really want to bug my staff about this, I may if I get stuck, but they are quite busy right now.

The unit that I bought is being shipped to me, I bought it off of eBay. I paid about $45, including shipping. I didn't get it at work, like I said we have a single embedded unit and I'm an honest guy.

As far as thin clients themselves, they've served their purpose, but we're pulling them out over the next couple of years. They run Citrix applicaitons very well, which is our major application. They are very limited after that, especially with internet technologies. I am speaking about the Windows CE models because that's what we actually have. We're saved a LOT of $$$ by having thin clients versus PCs over the past 5 years.

I have worked as a technical person in a manufacturing facility. For the most part, the engineers where I worked were in there own little world. We VLAN (separate our networks) with those little toys that you guys are brewing up so they don't toast our networks!!!!! You are correct in that there probably would've been spots for thin clients in your work. Keep in mind the embedded units you are using for your MJ's are much more powerful than the CE units. I didn't buy the embedded units (except for one), as the price point was too close to the PC.

I will definitely follow up with what I find out. I will likely get my thin client next week via UPS! I'll work through the instructions and will post away!

dims24 · Post by **dims24** » Thu May 01, 2008 3:33 am

Thanks again HolmanGT!!

You told me just enough.... I was able to do a search and found a couple of free small programs that send the packet to my TC from my main pc. Once I found the TC IP address and mac thingy, It worked great.

Now if my internet provider would just get his system upgraded so I maintain a fast DownLoad and UpLoad.

The MJ defintely needs some internet speed. When I drop down to about 200 k-bits per second on the download, and under 100 on the upload, the MJ quality goes way down.

Any its really cool being able to fire up the TC from my main pc

Mike

bneuman · Post by **bneuman** » Thu May 01, 2008 7:15 am

Hi all....

I wish I would of jumped on a 5710 256/256 a month ago when I first started reading this thread. I've been watching ebay the past week or so and things are scare. Anyone know of a different source?

thanks,

bill

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Thu May 01, 2008 1:00 pm

dims24,

Glad you got it going. There are some remote control clients that have magic packets built in. I use to use one but can't remember its name.

As far as firring up your TC from a distance, now think of this your 8,000 miles from home you have forgotten an important file on your machine at home but it is turned off - you send a magic packet turn on your home computer grab the file and then turn your home PC off. Now that is not only Magic, but to your friends you will look like the "Great and Wonderful OZ".

Now put a remote client on your TC and you will be able to turn it on and control it remotely just as if you were sitting in front of it with a keyboard, mouse and monitor - now that is pure unadulterated power.

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Thu May 01, 2008 1:16 pm

stroths wrote:I just won a 5700 and a 5710 off ebay from a seller for a total of $90 shipped. Both have 256MB RAM. The description didn't mention if they had flash memory or not, but I contacted several ebayers who bought t5700s from this same seller previously and 2 responded saying theirs did have 256mb flash. They both have power adapters too, so either I got a really good deal or I hosed myself

Plan on using one for the MJ and another for FreeNAS.

I just got home for lunch and my fedex package arrived. Good news is that both the 5700 and 5710 have have 256mb flash as well as 256MB RAM and both boot into XPE and they both have stands. They sent me 2 power adapters, but only one is meant for this device. Looks like it was for a laptop, but $87 shipped for both of these was a very good gamble. I'll play with them more after work. I'll just need to pickup a 2nd power adapter since I only have one that fits.

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Thu May 01, 2008 1:28 pm

bneuman,

You are probably look to get one at a steal (nothing wrong with that) but we the MJ Geek group have driven the prices up by are sudden influx of purchases. I have been watching the prices also an I agree they have become scarce.

I do have a two 5710s and two 5720s that we may be able to negotiate a deal on. I will even set them up and for you (MJ version of plug-n-play). why don't you PM me your budget range and maybe we can strike a deal.

As far as another place to find them, my answer is there is not. I have done some searched myself and what they produce is commercial houses with prices directed at end user Corporate purchasers.

One real big Price warning is do here. Watch out! some of the prices I have seen lately rival HP's refurbished units and actually depending on what you are looking for Mr. Neuman you might want to check that out also. They are not cheap but I have seen a lot of units on ebay going for more than what HP will sell you a refurbished unit for and those will be pristine and complete with warranty.

PS - @Stewart, if this is against forum policy let me know and please just pull this post. I could have just PMed bneuman, but like I said I have a few so I thought I would attempt to recoup some of my expenses. I am a very bad auction patron, it is like gambling and I got a little to caught up in the excitement of it all.

I purchased one for myself, Sister, daughter and a friend, I have them all set up and they are currently using them but because I got all caught up in the auction fever it turns out I have a few more than I really need.

It was fun while the buying fever lasted.

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Thu May 01, 2008 1:37 pm

stroths wrote:
stroths wrote:I just won a 5700 and a 5710 off ebay from a seller for a total of $90 shipped. Both have 256MB RAM. The description didn't mention if they had flash memory or not, but I contacted several ebayers who bought t5700s from this same seller previously and 2 responded saying theirs did have 256mb flash. They both have power adapters too, so either I got a really good deal or I hosed myself

Plan on using one for the MJ and another for FreeNAS.
I just got home for lunch and my fedex package arrived. Good news is that both the 5700 and 5710 have have 256mb flash as well as 256MB RAM and both boot into XPE and they both have stands. They sent me 2 power adapters, but only one is meant for this device. Looks like it was for a laptop, but $87 shipped for both of these was a very good gamble. I'll play with them more after work. I'll just need to pickup a 2nd power adapter since I only have one that fits.

stroths,

I still don't know how you got them for that price without using a gun.

But if you need to purchase a power supply check this site out. This is the best deal I have ever seen on them - $9.00 dollars new.

http://www.bgmicro.com/index.asp?PageAc ... odID=12293

Watch out I have seen them on eBay for $47 dollars used.

bneuman · Post by **bneuman** » Thu May 01, 2008 3:57 pm

HolmanGT,

You have a PM ....

Bill

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Thu May 01, 2008 5:54 pm

HolmanGT wrote: stroths,

I still don't know how you got them for that price without using a gun.

But if you need to purchase a power supply check this site out. This is the best deal I have ever seen on them - $9.00 dollars new.

http://www.bgmicro.com/index.asp?PageAc ... odID=12293

Watch out I have seen them on eBay for $47 dollars used.

Thanks for the tip on that! That company is about 15 miles from me, so if they ship it tomorrow I will have it on Saturday (USPS).

As for my ebay steal, no guns involved. Items were sold AS-IS and no description of flash memory which probably scared others away. If I hadn't emailed the previous buyers I wouldn't have bid myself.

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Thu May 01, 2008 8:25 pm

stroths,

Fifteen miles, heck you could have save the shipping and drove. Oops

I forgot this is 2008 and gas is almost four dollars a gallon. Ya know it is a B....h when you can't drive 30 miles and come out cheaper than shipping something.

The power supplies, that is the best price on those I have ever seen. The guy must have a gazillion of them because he will even cut the price if you buy in quantity.

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Fri May 02, 2008 7:07 am

I decided to run mj as a service using the instructions below and it works nicely. I decided to do it because on my desktop, the connection and reliability seemed to be more consistent when running in service mode. I hope that will translate over to the thin client as well.

http://www.phoneservicesupport.com/magi ... t1364.html

northwst · Post by **northwst** » Fri May 02, 2008 12:55 pm

yeah I found another source for the power supplies also... http://www.powersupplydepot.com/product ... t=16918+PS

and for those that cant find the refurbished link at HP... Thin Client Refurbs

I am expecting my units today... but my power supplies are no where to be found... I hope they are shipped. fracking Florida

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Fri May 02, 2008 1:05 pm

northwst,

I was going to suggest Radio Shack but they would probably want $39 dollars for a good one with makes the $8 dollar real Mc Coy worth waiting for.

Thanks for posting the HP Refurb link, I had misplaced it and was having a hell of a time trying to find it again.

Regards Mr. Northwst.

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