HP Thin Client and Magic Jack

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Fri May 02, 2008 6:46 pm

I was thinking about the IDE interface on these. It appears to be a standard 44 pin laptop style connector. If I had a laptop drive, I would test it out, but I don't unfortunately. If one worked, I don't see why we couldn't get a 44 pin compact flash adapter off ebay for less than $10 and throw a compact flash card in. This would easily allow us to get around the space limitation and CF cards are pretty cheap.

If this worked, it would also help those who bought one without the internal flash.

EDIT:
hmm..the guy at the link below stuck a 20gb hard drive in some 5700s.

http://tinyurl.com/2w3epgn

EDIT2:

Someone did it on a T5300 here
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/paradoxsm/2842

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Fri May 02, 2008 7:05 pm

stroths,

I saw those CF card adapters and had the same thought. Would you send me a link to them (I save the link and then immediately lost it) I will purchase on tonight and try it.

I don't see any reason why it would not work the HP flash drives are IDE/ATA flash units. I have an extra one or two T5710s that I would be willing to sacrifice for the cause. But I honestly don't expect it to do anything damaging to the Thin Client. Actually now that someone has given me moral support I am kind of excited to try it.

If you put one of those adapters in and a Sandisk CF III card in there it should be fast as all get-out and compared to the original Flash Drive (assuming you could find one) it would be dirt cheap. Costco damn near gives those CF cards away free (well OK not free but a really good price).

Thanks for getting my motor going on this again Mr. stroths.

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Fri May 02, 2008 7:18 pm

Here's the one I was thinking of. $7 shipped, but its out of HK. Anything from the US is $25+. This one is also a dual CF adapter (Master/Slave)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0225814203

EDIT:

Here is a single CF card adapter, but out of California for around $9
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0045736044

Here is a set of 2 cables for about $10 shipped and its out of the United States as well
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0220786617

EDIT2:
I just bought an adapter and dual cables from a US seller, so I will be testing along with you. ~$20 for the adapter and cables isn't too bad. I wonder if the XPe image will flash just as it did with the HP flash memory? If not, there are ways to build XP with EWF and minlogin. I also picked up one of cheapo ones from the dealextreme link VaHam posted since I will need one for my 2nd client. By the time that one finally gets in from HK, I should have my US bought one broke in.

VaHam · Post by **VaHam** » Fri May 02, 2008 7:55 pm

$2.38 + Free Shipping http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.711

LikeMagic · Post by **LikeMagic** » Fri May 02, 2008 8:08 pm

I bought from DX all the times. Shipping usually takes 3-4 weeks, but low prices & free shipping are worth the wait

dims24 · Post by **dims24** » Sat May 03, 2008 5:01 am

Wow guys!
I was just searching for a 512mg flash upgrade for my 256mg for my 5710.

No way I'm paying 120.00 and I am anxious to see what you come up with. 256 flash is just to small using MJ and team viewer if you will be turning the TC on and off which I will be. The flash memory at 256 is just cutting it to close and both MJ or TV have problems on startup.

I hope your theories work out!!
Mike

bneuman · Post by **bneuman** » Sat May 03, 2008 11:16 am

So if I'm reading right and things work out the way I think they will the T5700 192/256 could be upgraded pretty cheap and work well with MJ. Am I right?

Bill

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Sat May 03, 2008 12:32 pm

dims24 wrote:Wow guys!
I was just searching for a 512mg flash upgrade for my 256mg for my 5710.

No way I'm paying 120.00 and I am anxious to see what you come up with. 256 flash is just to small using MJ and team viewer if you will be turning the TC on and off which I will be. The flash memory at 256 is just cutting it to close and both MJ or TV have problems on startup.

I hope your theories work out!!
Mike

dims24,

$120 dollars for 512 - sure would appreciate a link to that. I couldn't find any. Well I did find one place that had them but when I ordered it they suddenly put my order on "Back order" and after a month I canceled. You could PM it to me if you don't want to put the link up here.

Now 256 - did you take off all the useless junk? I usually have about 20 megs left over after putting TeamView and MJ. and have never had any problems. I would really like to know how much memory you have left on C drive after TeamView and MJ are installed and MJ plugged in?

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Sat May 03, 2008 12:51 pm

bneuman wrote:So if I'm reading right and things work out the way I think they will the T5700 192/256 could be upgraded pretty cheap and work well with MJ. Am I right?

Bill

Exactly. Ideally, you could put just about any size compact flash card on there if the adapter works. Considering its been shown to work with a regular laptop hard drive, I have a good feeling about it working. Plus it opens the door to installing more things on it like .net (for the callerID spoofing), java, etc. There are even ways to install a full blown copy of XP on one and then use the EWF and minlogin from XPe.

If someone wanted to make some money, they could find some flashless clients and do a cheap upgrade and sell them for a profit (if this works).

Here is a rough breakdown of the upgrade price (if this works).

$10 - 1GB Compact Flash Card (might get this free if you find one with a rebate)
$10 - 44 Pin Cable (maybe someone can find this cheaper)
$2.50 - Meritline 44pin CF Adapter
-----------------------------------------
$22.50 total 1gb upgrade price (or less)

bneuman · Post by **bneuman** » Sat May 03, 2008 9:52 pm

The HP T5710 only supports (Flash Memory):

256 MB with 800 MHz model
up to 512 MB with 1.2 GHz model

Bill

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Sun May 04, 2008 7:45 am

bneuman wrote:The HP T5710 only supports (Flash Memory):

256 MB with 800 MHz model
up to 512 MB with 1.2 GHz model

Bill

Read several posts up and you will see what we are trying to do using the standard 44 pin IDE connecter on the 5700s

bneuman · Post by **bneuman** » Sun May 04, 2008 12:14 pm

stroths wrote: Exactly. Ideally, you could put just about any size compact flash card on there if the adapter works. Considering its been shown to work with a regular laptop hard drive, I have a good feeling about it working. Plus it opens the door to installing more things on it like .net (for the callerID spoofing), java, etc. There are even ways to install a full blown copy of XP on one and then use the EWF and minlogin from XPe.

If someone wanted to make some money, they could find some flashless clients and do a cheap upgrade and sell them for a profit (if this works).

Here is a rough breakdown of the upgrade price (if this works).

$10 - 1GB Compact Flash Card (might get this free if you find one with a rebate)
$10 - 44 Pin Cable (maybe someone can find this cheaper)
$2.50 - Meritline 44pin CF Adapter
-----------------------------------------
$22.50 total 1gb upgrade price (or less)

I see you in your quote that you are going to use a 1GB compact flash card. HP spec's says it only supports up to 512MB. That was the reason for my post. I just assumed that the architecture on the T5710 couldn't support the 1GB flash card. Hopefully I'm wrong!

Bill

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Sun May 04, 2008 1:12 pm

bneuman wrote:
stroths wrote: Exactly. Ideally, you could put just about any size compact flash card on there if the adapter works. Considering its been shown to work with a regular laptop hard drive, I have a good feeling about it working. Plus it opens the door to installing more things on it like .net (for the callerID spoofing), java, etc. There are even ways to install a full blown copy of XP on one and then use the EWF and minlogin from XPe.

If someone wanted to make some money, they could find some flashless clients and do a cheap upgrade and sell them for a profit (if this works).

Here is a rough breakdown of the upgrade price (if this works).

$10 - 1GB Compact Flash Card (might get this free if you find one with a rebate)
$10 - 44 Pin Cable (maybe someone can find this cheaper)
$2.50 - Meritline 44pin CF Adapter
-----------------------------------------
$22.50 total 1gb upgrade price (or less)
I see you in your quote that you are going to use a 1GB compact flash card. HP spec's says it only supports up to 512MB. That was the reason for my post. I just assumed that the architecture on the T5710 couldn't support the 1GB flash card. Hopefully I'm wrong!

Bill

The 512mb max just means that's the biggest they officially made for this model. They use some special flash memory that connects directly to the 44 pin montherboard IDE connector. It has been shown that you can hook a laptop hard drive directly to the 44 pin connector and it works so the motherboard's bios will accept larger drives. For example, one guy put a 20gb laptop hard drive on his t5710 for a carpc.

This motherboard will not accept Compact Flash natively, so we are ordering adapters that connect directly to the 44 pin IDE connectors and allow us to use compact flash memory as the hard drive. I am pretty optimistic that it will work. Hopefully it will because it will open the door for more interesting things and cheaper upgrades.

bneuman · Post by **bneuman** » Sun May 04, 2008 5:01 pm

stroths,

Gotcha...

In anticipation of this working I will be ordering a Cf adapter and sanDisk III 1 GB card.

Bill

VaHam · Post by **VaHam** » Sun May 04, 2008 7:00 pm

After doing some more looking at the CF to IDE adapters from DealExtreme I couldn't decide which one to order so I ordered several different ones:

I really think the below is the best choice. It is a 44 pin so no external power needed since a 44 pin gets power from the buss. Not sure of the direction it must face yet though.
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10310

I went ahead and ordered a couple of others also just in case.

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.711
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2720

This is what I would like to try but haven't found a US source yet http://www.soarland.com/en/index.php?go ... uct_id=175

And still looking for cheap source of 44 pin laptop cables. I would think 2-2 1/2" should be enough.

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Sun May 04, 2008 10:25 pm

Nice find VaHam. I couldn't find a US retailer, but here are 2 in HK on ebay for pretty cheap. These are nice because they eliminate the need for the IDE cable, so you could get a cheaper solution.

$5 shipped - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0158090878

$11.48 shipped, but you get 3 of them - http://cgi.ebay.com/3-x-CF-to-2-5-IDE-4 ... 0013775514

This would be the ideal solution, but I have one concern. If you look in the picture, you will see that the circuitboard overlaps the IDE connector a little. The stock flash module is flush with the connector. When I look at the stock flash mounted on the motherboard, there is plenty of room on the side facing the front of the case. However, the other side only has about a millimeter or 2 between it and the PCI slot. This is on my 5700 as my 5710 is in use and I don't want to mess with it right now. However, I suspect the layout is similar if not identical. You might be able to shave away some of the plastic on the PCI slot to make it fit though.

bneuman · Post by **bneuman** » Mon May 05, 2008 6:17 am

VaHam wrote: And still looking for cheap source of 44 pin laptop cables. I would think 2-2 1/2" should be enough.

I found this:
CablesOnline.com

they have 2" and 6"

EDIT:

They screw you on shipping....$8 for one 2" ribbon cable! cable only cost $5.99!!

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Mon May 05, 2008 7:43 am

Anyone try a 1gb ram sodimm on these? I tried one from a working laptop and it booted up, but froze at the HP bios logo page.

VaHam · Post by **VaHam** » Mon May 05, 2008 8:15 am

stroths wrote:Nice find VaHam. I couldn't find a US retailer, but here are 2 in HK on ebay for pretty cheap. These are nice because they eliminate the need for the IDE cable, so you could get a cheaper solution.

$5 shipped - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0158090878

$11.48 shipped, but you get 3 of them - http://cgi.ebay.com/3-x-CF-to-2-5-IDE-4 ... 0013775514

This would be the ideal solution, but I have one concern. If you look in the picture, you will see that the circuitboard overlaps the IDE connector a little. The stock flash module is flush with the connector. When I look at the stock flash mounted on the motherboard, there is plenty of room on the side facing the front of the case. However, the other side only has about a millimeter or 2 between it and the PCI slot. This is on my 5700 as my 5710 is in use and I don't want to mess with it right now. However, I suspect the layout is similar if not identical. You might be able to shave away some of the plastic on the PCI slot to make it fit though.

I think you had the good find stroths!

I just placed and order for the three pack.
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Yeah all three of mine are busy at the moment also. One is serving up MJ (256/256) one is running perl and the perl spoofer (512/512). The third (512/512) I am using as a test bed trying to get a standalone compiled version of the perl spoofer to run. I can compile it as a stand alone and it is about 2M in size. It runs on my desktop so far; but not on the thin client testbed. If I can get that working then we could run the spoofer on the thin client with a small foot print. I have no prior experience with compiled perl so cross your fingers

Hard to tell from looking at the pics but I suspect your right some trimming may be required. Perhaps we can shave some off the adapter card? There appears to be a circuit trace near the edge so a jumper wire may have to be used after the trimming.

Also I am not even sure that the card pins are such that the adapter card will face the direction we need yet. If all this works out however this would be a very cheap and easy mod.

We'll see when they get here!

.

bneuman · Post by **bneuman** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:05 am

So what size compact flash are you (anyone) going to try? 1GB /2GB? What about speed? The SanDisk II are 10MB per second and the SanDisk Extreme's are 20MB per second. What about pricing?

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Mon May 05, 2008 5:46 pm

I got my 2 44 pin cables, but I am still waiting on the CF adapter I ordered at the same time. Both ebay sellers are out of Cali, but one is much faster at shipping than the other. Tried the cable on my currently unused t5700 and it fit perfectly, but was tight. The female connector stuck out a little on both sides unlike the stock flash unit, but its not a problem as the IDE connector sits a little bit behind the PCI slot. Once I get the CF adapter, the testing will begin.

I will likely hot glue the connector down somewhere free on the motherboard or possibly to the inside of the case lid.

Here's the cable and seller I went with - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0221684795

Considering I am in Texas, he got it here very quickly from Cali.

Here are some pictures. Since they are large, I provided links to them instead of embedding them in this post.

44 Pin IDE header on Motherboard

Cable Attached - Front

Cable Attached - Back

VaHam · Post by **VaHam** » Mon May 05, 2008 7:02 pm

UPDATE

Just curious did you guys see something wrong with my choices below? They sure seemed like good price/performance options to me.

$30.99 Shipped for the 4GB Micro Drive

http://www.legendmicro.com/store/4520_H ... ory_ID=516

The micro drives require more power maybe as much as 500mA so not sure if they will work but if they do the micro drives are real drives and therefore don't suffer from the read/write limitations on CF. I went ahead and ordered one to give it a try!

$29.98 Shipped for the 4GB RiData 233x CF (CFR4G-233X-LIG2) - Sorry for the munged link the forum doesn't like the syntax of the link! If you read the reviews on these cards one guy already put them in 8 Kiosk's and was buying 8 more so they must work Ok.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... _-20183188

.

VaHam · Post by **VaHam** » Mon May 05, 2008 7:07 pm

stroths wrote:I got my 2 44 pin cables, but I am still waiting on the CF adapter I ordered at the same time. Both ebay sellers are out of Cali, but one is much faster at shipping than the other. Tried the cable on my currently unused t5700 and it fit perfectly, but was tight. The female connector stuck out a little on both sides unlike the stock flash unit, but its not a problem as the IDE connector sits a little bit behind the PCI slot. Once I get the CF adapter, the testing will begin.

I will likely hot glue the connector down somewhere free on the motherboard or possibly to the inside of the case lid.

Here's the cable and seller I went with - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0221684795

Considering I am in Texas, he got it here very quickly from Cali.

Here are some pictures. Since they are large, I provided links to them instead of embedding them in this post.

44 Pin IDE header on Motherboard

Cable Attached - Front

Cable Attached - Back

Nice Pics! stroths

Fitting that right angle adapter is gonna be tight but it may make it!

Good find on those cables also. The $0.99 shipping was good and the price competitive with other places. I just placed and order for a couple of them from him . Ad says 4 available and I got one of those if that is all he has and anybody else needs them you better hurry!

.

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Wed May 07, 2008 1:09 pm

Got my compact flash adapter in the mail today and plugged in a 1gb compact flash card I had laying around and it recognized it right off. I am currently flashing an XPe image on to it, so I will report back.

EDIT: Flash worked and XPe booted right up just like before. Only now, I have a lot more free space (757mb free)

Therefore, I can say with confidence, that it is possible to replace the Flash Disk on Module (DOM) with a Compact flash card and adapter. Let the games begin

I am just home for lunch, so I can't do much more now, but the good news is that it works. It should have no problem supporting much larger CF cards since the bios can support large drives.

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Wed May 07, 2008 1:35 pm

I noticed that Costco had Sandisk 4 GB CF cards at approximately $44 dollars don't know if they were Utra IIs or III. But like someone else said with out shipping it might be a pretty good deal and you don't have to wait - WAIT that word should be taken out of the ditionary - not my strong suit.

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Wed May 07, 2008 1:39 pm

stroths,

Well you proved your point "Size doesn't matter" for a guy like me that is a [s]big[/s] small but good deal.

Thanks for going out on a limb for the rest of us.

dims24 · Post by **dims24** » Wed May 07, 2008 2:30 pm

Great news.... Can somone post a list of parts needed and where to get parts so its all in one post for future folks to find easily(including me)

I'm ready for this..... You guys are great!
Thanks much, Mike

bneuman · Post by **bneuman** » Wed May 07, 2008 2:59 pm

HolmanGT wrote:I noticed that Costco had Sandisk 4 GB CF cards at approximately $44 dollars don't know if they were Utra IIs or III. But like someone else said with out shipping it might be a pretty good deal and you don't have to wait - WAIT that word should be taken out of the ditionary - not my strong suit.

I ordered a SanDisk Extreme III 2GB Compact Flash from Newegg for $36.37 delivered. (fast) Should be here today.

Bill

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Wed May 07, 2008 3:15 pm

Bill,

That sounds excellent !!! You will be able to put put on Java and just about anything else you can think of. The only other thing I would consider adding (depending on budget of course) would be taking the ram up to 512 or hell shoot for the stars and put a 1 gig SODIMM in it.

They seem to behave just like any other XP machine, the more ram the Peppier they seem to act. I paid 33 for a 512 PC2700 form the PCMemoryStore and I believe you can find 1 gig DDRs for a little less than twice the price of the 512. But knowing you you will probably find it for less then I paid for the 512

When you get it working on the CF card let us (hell with them let me know how well it appears to work and if you notice any increase/decrease in speed. I realize it will be a little subjective but that is still better than no clue at all.

I have to go mail out a T5710 I put together for a guy and I think I will swing by my favorite place "Costco" and pick up one of those 4Gig CF cards if they are type IIIs if not I may offer my body for sacrifice (hmmm that may not be a good idea, they may charge extra for the disposal fee

) and go over to Best buy and pick up a 2 Gig type III.

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Wed May 07, 2008 6:45 pm

I just pulled my 5710 out of service and put the adapter in it. The bad news is that the 5710 has much less free space inside the case than the 5700 does. It's mainly due to the larger heat sinks on the 5710. I did manage to get it in there, but it was a very tight fit. I had to hotglue it to inside of the removable metal cover right above the PCI slot and some of the heat sinks. My main concern is the heat and possible lockups.

I was in a rush to get one cheap from here in the US and what I got was one that is the length and width of a laptop hard drive. This CF adapter was meant to fit in the same space a regular laptop harddrive would, so its bigger than it needs to be for our purposes.

My suggestion is to not get one like mine. The smaller the better. If you have a 5700, its not that big of a deal.

I also picked up a $25 2GB 133x Sony CF card from my local Fry's to get a little more speed. I liked the 266x models, but had a hard time justifying the price.

EDIT: After running for about 10 minutes, I opened it up, and it was hotter than I would like. I have decided to use my current adapter in my 5700 since it has the open space. Last week, I also ordered one from dealextreme which is linked a few pages back. It looks pretty small and it should work well in the 5710.

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Wed May 07, 2008 6:49 pm

HolmanGT wrote: The only other think I would consider adding (depending on budget of course) would be taking the ram up to 512 or hell shoot for the stars and put a 1 gig SODIMM in it.

I tried a 1gb PC2700 sodimm from a laptop I have around, but it would only get to the HP Bios logo screen and lock up. Either it doesn't support it or it didn't like the one I tried.

I have 2 sticks of 512mb samsung I got off ebay for about $35 shipped (combined). Hopefully they will like it.

On a side note, I think I will try out a full build of XP on the t5700 to see how it runs. I plan on putting the ewf driver on it to save the flash memory from too many writes. Here are some details on doing this for those interested - http://granturing.blogspot.com/

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Wed May 07, 2008 7:15 pm

stroths,

You guys are getting too far ahead of me. None of my toys have come in yet.

The only thing that may have gotten to you on the laptop memory was unless it is a reasonably old laptop it probably had a DDR2 SODIMM and I know that won't work. The older DDR SODIMMS are a little harder to find. But here is the real kicker, they charge about twice as much for the older ram as they do for the DDR2 stuff.

I was over at best buy and they had a DDR2 1GB SODIMM on sale for (drum roll for effect) $12 dollars and $67 dollars for DDR (or as some places call it DDR1). I asked the kid that worked there when they were going to put the old stuff on sale and he just flat said never. The stuff doesn't sell very well anymore so you have to pay for us to stock something that doesn't move very fast. But the good news is I think you can still find some pretty good deals on it thru the WEB.

VaHam · Post by **VaHam** » Wed May 07, 2008 8:27 pm

stroths wrote:Got my compact flash adapter in the mail today and plugged in a 1gb compact flash card I had laying around and it recognized it right off. I am currently flashing an XPe image on to it, so I will report back.

EDIT: Flash worked and XPe booted right up just like before. Only now, I have a lot more free space (757mb free)

Therefore, I can say with confidence, that it is possible to replace the Flash Disk on Module (DOM) with a Compact flash card and adapter. Let the games begin

I am just home for lunch, so I can't do much more now, but the good news is that it works. It should have no problem supporting much larger CF cards since the bios can support large drives.

Great News stroths!

I have cables, CF card and micro-drive in the mail so far but no word on any of the adapter cards being shipped yet. Of coarse sometimes they just show up witout notification. I can't wait to start playing with mine!

bneuman · Post by **bneuman** » Wed May 07, 2008 8:55 pm

This should be here tomorrow. Hopefully it's small enough...

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Wed May 07, 2008 9:12 pm

bneuman,

I think that is like stroths and you will have to use a cable. I think the Thin Client expects the pin connector to be at a right angle to the board. Is that correct "stroths"?

No big deal I suppose.

I bought a couple like that and I bought three from a guy that was selling them in groups of three and from what I could see in the picture it looked like the connector was at right angle to the board.

Does anyone still have their unit open I can't remember what sex the connector on the thin client had, oh well a couple of sex changers and some hot clue you can make anything work.

God I hate this waiting ...

bneuman · Post by **bneuman** » Wed May 07, 2008 9:16 pm

HolmanGT wrote:bneuman,

I think that is like stroths and you will have to use a cable. I think the Thin Client expects the pin connector to be at a right angle to the board. Is that correct "stroths"?

No big deal I suppose.

I planned on using a cable so I think this will work out fine.

Bill

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Wed May 07, 2008 11:07 pm

HolmanGT wrote:bneuman,

I think that is like stroths and you will have to use a cable. I think the Thin Client expects the pin connector to be at a right angle to the board. Is that correct "stroths"?

No big deal I suppose.

I bought a couple like that and I bought three from a guy that was selling them in groups of three and from what I could see in the picture it looked like the connector was at right angle to the board.

Does anyone still have their unit open I can't remember what sex the connector on the thin client had, oh well a couple of sex changers and some hot clue you can make anything work.

God I hate this waiting ...

The motherboard has a 44 pin male connector that faces straight up. You must either have a cable and a CF adapter with a male connector or a CF adapter with a right angle female connector.

On a side note, I have successfully installed a full copy of Windows XP w/SP2 and I applied the EWF drivers as mentioned earlier. It is very zippy even with the 256mb I currently have. I will have 512mb as soon as my shipment comes in.

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Thu May 08, 2008 2:40 am

stroths,

Thanks for the "Zippy" comment. I was kind of concerned that they would work but be a little slow. However now thinking about it those HP 5710 are dated 2005 and 2006 so I shouldn't be surprised the today's flash is pretty hot by comparison.

Also the guy that I bout the group of three per package from showed a picture that to the best of my recollection showed a right angle female header. So if they are not too big (keep my fingers crossed) just maybe it will drop right in.

Do I know how to dream or what.

bneuman · Post by **bneuman** » Thu May 08, 2008 10:55 am

I'm a little confused, oh alright more than a little.

Will the T5710 support more than 512MB of RAM? Any brand to stay away from? What are the specs for the RAM? Are we talking something like this? 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200)

thanks,

Bill

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Thu May 08, 2008 12:38 pm

bneuman wrote:I'm a little confused, oh alright more than a little. Will the T5710 support more than 512MB of RAM? Any brand to stay away from? What are the specs for the RAM? Are we talking something like this? 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200)

thanks,

Bill

I have not run into any brand that did not work and even some no name stuff worked fine.

The specs on the ram are PC2700 DDR SODIMMs. It is standard laptop ram. PC3200 would work but would be overkill as far a a 5710 is concerned. The only thing to stay away from is the DDR2, that will not work. You might be inclined to try it because you can find it very cheap. It is a strange irony that the old stuff cost more than the new stuff and it may lure you in to trying it but it wont' work. So the short version DDR = YES, DDR2 = NO and speed I would go above PC3200 and the faster ram will not give you faster speeds in the thin client the TC will just throttle the faster ram down to the point it is the same as putting the PC2700 in.

bneuman · Post by **bneuman** » Thu May 08, 2008 12:59 pm

Thanks George...what about maximum size?

Bill

HolmanGT wrote:
bneuman wrote:I'm a little confused, oh alright more than a little. Will the T5710 support more than 512MB of RAM? Any brand to stay away from? What are the specs for the RAM? Are we talking something like this? 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200)

thanks,

Bill
I have not run into any brand that did not work and even some no name stuff worked fine.

The specs on the ram are PC2700 DDR SODIMMs. It is standard laptop ram. PC3200 would work but would be overkill as far a a 5710 is concerned. The only thing to stay away from is the DDR2, that will not work. You might be inclined to try it because you can find it very cheap. It is a strange irony that the old stuff cost more than the new stuff and it may lure you in to trying it but it wont' work. So the short version DDR = YES, DDR2 = NO and speed I would go above PC3200 and the faster ram will not give you faster speeds in the thin client the TC will just throttle the faster ram down to the point it is the same as putting the PC2700 in.

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Thu May 08, 2008 1:25 pm

Bill,

To quote HP they don't actually say you can't use any thing bigger than 512 but the implication is there. But as "stroths" says there are several people that have claimed to put 20 Gig hard drive in them and they work fine. I actually lean toward the quotes that "stroths" makes mention to.

If it is any help I am going to poor a little more caffeine into myself and head over to Costco and pick up one of the 4 GB CF cards they have on sale and just as soon as my adapters get here I will let you know how it goes. I am hoping the first set of adapters I purchased will be in the mail today.

But "stroths" will probably beat me to answering your question, that guy is driven and so far has been way out in front of us mortals.

dims24 · Post by **dims24** » Thu May 08, 2008 1:26 pm

stroths said he tried a 1gig stick of ram and it didn't work. Have toy hd success with larger than 512?

Oh, and there are many auctions on ebay selling ddr 512 for less than 20.00.

Thanks, Mike

bneuman · Post by **bneuman** » Thu May 08, 2008 1:33 pm

dims24 wrote:stroths said he tried a 1gig stick of ram and it didn't work. Have toy hd success with larger than 512?

I think HolmanGT said it was because it might of been wrong type, DDR vs DDR2. Still haven't heard of 1GB working....

dims24 wrote:Oh, and there are many auctions on ebay selling ddr 512 for less than 20.00.
Thanks, Mike

I'll probably order from NewEgg for $26 delivered....
thanks for the info...
Bill

sparkbox · Post by **sparkbox** » Thu May 08, 2008 1:39 pm

HolmanGT wrote: The specs on the ram are PC2700 DDR SODIMMs. It is standard laptop ram. PC3200 would work but would be overkill as far a a 5710 is concerned. The only thing to stay away from is the DDR2, that will not work. You might be inclined to try it because you can find it very cheap. It is a strange irony that the old stuff cost more than the new stuff and it may lure you in to trying it but it wont' work. So the short version DDR = YES, DDR2 = NO and speed I would go above PC3200 and the faster ram will not give you faster speeds in the thin client the TC will just throttle the faster ram down to the point it is the same as putting the PC2700 in.

These are 200 pin SODIMMs right? Because there are also 144 pin SODIMMs.

VaHam · Post by **VaHam** » Thu May 08, 2008 3:00 pm

sparkbox wrote:
HolmanGT wrote: The specs on the ram are PC2700 DDR SODIMMs. It is standard laptop ram. PC3200 would work but would be overkill as far a a 5710 is concerned. The only thing to stay away from is the DDR2, that will not work. You might be inclined to try it because you can find it very cheap. It is a strange irony that the old stuff cost more than the new stuff and it may lure you in to trying it but it wont' work. So the short version DDR = YES, DDR2 = NO and speed I would go above PC3200 and the faster ram will not give you faster speeds in the thin client the TC will just throttle the faster ram down to the point it is the same as putting the PC2700 in.
These are 200 pin SODIMMs right? Because there are also 144 pin SODIMMs.

Yes sparkbox they are 200 pin.

This is the ones I am using 512MB HP/Compaq Notebook 200pin PC2100 DDR SODIMM

.

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Thu May 08, 2008 3:05 pm

The 1gb ram i tried was ddr and not ddr2. It came from a working compaq r3000 laptop that requires pc2700 ddr sodimm. Maybe another brand will work.

As for hard drive size, any size compact flash will work providing you cf adapter supports it. I am using a 2gb right now, but a 4GB, 16gb or 32GB would work fine as well.

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Thu May 08, 2008 7:22 pm

This is the 256 meg units that came out of mine. I have two of them sitting here that I replaced and they are both identical so I am assuming they are the original units installed by "HP Compaq".

Brand: Hynix
256MB Module DDR Sodimm 200 Pin PC2700 CL=2.5 Non-Parity DDR333 32Meg x 64 Mfr P/N HYMD232M646D6-J-AA
Hynix Part No.: HYMD232M646D6-J-AA

northwst · Post by **northwst** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:12 pm

I can confirm that ddr2 does not work.... they are keyed so that they will not fit anyway... but my dremel made one fit... as soon as I plugged the power in it made funny sounds so I did'nt push it...took it out, and in the process of buying a 512 ddr.

I now have the extra t5710 with the power adapter in hand so I can ship it to Kulumbaa if he still wants it.

you guys have given me something else to do now...damn... I will have to get this cf going also.

ohh and here is a good 512 ddr link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0224249403

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Sat May 10, 2008 10:02 am

northwst wrote:I can confirm that ddr2 does not work.... they are keyed so that they will not fit anyway... but my dremel made one fit... as soon as I plugged the power in it made funny sounds so I did'nt push it...took it out, and in the process of buying a 512 ddr.

I now have the extra t5710 with the power adapter in hand so I can ship it to Kulumbaa if he still wants it.

you guys have given me something else to do now...damn... I will have to get this cf going also.

ohh and here is a good 512 ddr link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0224249403

I hope you are kidding about using a dremel to make it fit. If not, please don't do that again. Different RAM is purposely made so it won't fit in different generation RAM slots as they have different designs and are pinned differently. Hopefully you did not fry anything on the thin client.

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