I know you have a lot of money invested in CF cards... but hey someone has to keep China a-float.
You can get a 1 GB flash drive from Transcend for $30 buck-aroos and be done with it, those things really are plug and play.
OH - on the not hot swappable on the CF card converters that I have came with a warning that you can hot swap them, but it will be the last thing the CF card ever does.
- George -
HolmanGT - St. George, UT MJ-Area/Prefix 435-275
ooma-Area/Prefix 435-579
Baja Broadband, up-1mb dn-10mb, on days with a good tail wind.
MJ on HP T5730 2GBF/2GBR Thin Client XPe SP2 Router Dlink Dir-655
I know you have a lot of money invested in CF cards... but hey someone has to keep China a-float.
You can get a 1 GB flash drive from Transcend for $30 buck-aroos and be done with it, those things really are plug and play.
OH - on the not hot swappable on the CF card converters that I have came with a warning that you can hot swap them, but it will be the last thing the CF card ever does.
George,
I have 2 - 512Meg flash drives coming today. I wanted to have a CF version and a Transcend DOM version. I have the CF version working with the exception of EWF. I guess this 5700 will be my play toy. When I'm bored I will mess with it.
Since our first emails about the 5720 I have spent something in the neighborhood of $500. Damn its like you and ebay, It's addicting!
"It's addicting" - is an understatement, and to think it started out as a way to save money. If I save any more I won't be able to afford it.
It is sort of like when your wife come home from the Mall and want to tell you about how much she saved you today.
- George -
HolmanGT - St. George, UT MJ-Area/Prefix 435-275
ooma-Area/Prefix 435-579
Baja Broadband, up-1mb dn-10mb, on days with a good tail wind.
MJ on HP T5730 2GBF/2GBR Thin Client XPe SP2 Router Dlink Dir-655
"It's addicting" - is an understatement, and to think it started out as a way to save money. If I save any more I won't be able to afford it.
It is sort of like when your wife come home from the Mall and want to tell you about how much she saved you today.
Oh how true!!
UPDATE
UPS delivers a 5700 and 2 - 512Meg DOM's from Transcends at 4:00PM. By 4:30PM I had replaced the whimpy 192meg flash ROM and replaced it with a 512. Flashed it with latest XPe image and everything works great. A lot different than my experience with the CF option...
Yes I had my share of problems with CF cards also. I used a dual card CF converter and it worked but Windows XPe refused to license ti be cause (I guess) it was too physically different than the hard ware that was originally licensed.
It would come up log on then a window would Pop Up saying Windows was unable to license this unit.
I received my Transcend units that afternoon plugged it in and have never looked back. I have enough problems without going looking for more.
- George -
HolmanGT - St. George, UT MJ-Area/Prefix 435-275
ooma-Area/Prefix 435-579
Baja Broadband, up-1mb dn-10mb, on days with a good tail wind.
MJ on HP T5730 2GBF/2GBR Thin Client XPe SP2 Router Dlink Dir-655
Now that I have both 5700's runnng I wanted to install Java and delete some of the programs in HolmanGT's list.
When installing Java 5 rev 14 it gets about half way through and I get errors. No or low virtual memory. When deleting the listed programs I run into not enough memory on Ram Drive Z: please free up more memory.
Spec's on both 5700's - 512Meg DOM (transcend) 256Meg ram (waiting for 512)
How do I increase Ram Drive? I noticed I have zero page file ...
bneuman wrote:Now that I have both 5700's runnng I wanted to install Java and delete some of the programs in HolmanGT's list.
When installing Java 5 rev 14 it gets about half way through and I get errors. No or low virtual memory. When deleting the listed programs I run into not enough memory on Ram Drive Z: please free up more memory.
Spec's on both 5700's - 512Meg DOM (transcend) 256Meg ram (waiting for 512)
How do I increase Ram Drive? I noticed I have zero page file ...
Bill
Leave the pagefile at zero to preserve your flash drive. In the control panel, there is a ram manager icon you can click and change your ram drive size.
In addition to what stroths said, it also puts a limit on the ram drive depending on the amount of RAM you put in the machine. So in short the amount you can changes it depends on how much regular ram you have.
- George -
HolmanGT - St. George, UT MJ-Area/Prefix 435-275
ooma-Area/Prefix 435-579
Baja Broadband, up-1mb dn-10mb, on days with a good tail wind.
MJ on HP T5730 2GBF/2GBR Thin Client XPe SP2 Router Dlink Dir-655
It's that big red nose getting in the way of what your looking at.
Actually I have found that if I am looking for something that I think should be called out in a certain way if they rephrase it a little differently I can stare at it all day and not see it.
- George -
HolmanGT - St. George, UT MJ-Area/Prefix 435-275
ooma-Area/Prefix 435-579
Baja Broadband, up-1mb dn-10mb, on days with a good tail wind.
MJ on HP T5730 2GBF/2GBR Thin Client XPe SP2 Router Dlink Dir-655
What Java are you installing I download the the Sun Java from HP and it works perfectly.
- George -
HolmanGT - St. George, UT MJ-Area/Prefix 435-275
ooma-Area/Prefix 435-579
Baja Broadband, up-1mb dn-10mb, on days with a good tail wind.
MJ on HP T5730 2GBF/2GBR Thin Client XPe SP2 Router Dlink Dir-655
bneuman wrote:Increased ram drive size and deleted HolmanGT's list with no problem. Installing Java still comes up with no virtual memory halfway through
bill
Disable your EWF before installing anything large like Java or .net and it should help some. I also had my ram drive set to 64mb, but I am not sure how much you have to spare until your 512mb stick comes in.
bneuman wrote:Increased ram drive size and deleted HolmanGT's list with no problem. Installing Java still comes up with no virtual memory halfway through
bill
Disable your EWF before installing anything large like Java or .net and it should help some. I also had my ram drive set to 64mb, but I am not sure how much you have to spare until your 512mb stick comes in.
After the install, re-enable the EWF.
OK will do on the EWF. I increased ram size to 50 from 16. I can go to 64mb.
OK now that this damn editor dropped my post 3 times in a row your going to get the simple version (which mine always are).
Just go into the environment variable and change Temp and Tmp from pointing to the Z drive and point it at the thumb drive you are installing Java from, do a commit install the Java it will now have enough space to install the universe.
After you are thru with the Java install do a commit.
When the system comes back up change the Environment Variable for Temp and Tmp back to point at Z, do a commit and you will be good as gold. Please don't forget this last step when you do (I have) you will get some very bizarre results that will give you no clue to whats wrong and you can spend a fair piece of time before you go Duh! Z drive, Z drive it has to point back where it started.
This is the absolute easiest and fastest way I have found to do it and I will even go as far as to guarantee it or the coffee is on me.
- George -
HolmanGT - St. George, UT MJ-Area/Prefix 435-275
ooma-Area/Prefix 435-579
Baja Broadband, up-1mb dn-10mb, on days with a good tail wind.
MJ on HP T5730 2GBF/2GBR Thin Client XPe SP2 Router Dlink Dir-655
HolmanGT wrote:OK now that this damn editor dropped my post 3 times in a row your going to get the simple version (which mine always are).
Just go into the environment variable and change Temp and Tmp from pointing to the Z drive and point it at the thumb drive you are installing Java from, do a commit install the Java it will now have enough space to install the universe.
After you are thru with the Java install do a commit.
When the system comes back up change the Environment Variable for Temp and Tmp back to point at Z, do a commit and you will be good as gold. Please don't forget this last step when you do (I have) you will get some very bizarre results that will give you no clue to whats wrong and you can spend a fair piece of time before you go Duh! Z drive, Z drive it has to point back where it started.
This is the absolute easiest and fastest way I have found to do it and I will even go as far as to guarantee it or the coffee is on me.
Ok so I get this right, what version am I using? Where is it located?
HolmanGT - St. George, UT MJ-Area/Prefix 435-275
ooma-Area/Prefix 435-579
Baja Broadband, up-1mb dn-10mb, on days with a good tail wind.
MJ on HP T5730 2GBF/2GBR Thin Client XPe SP2 Router Dlink Dir-655
I need someone who has installed the default image to either a compact flash or disk on module larger than 512mb to do me a favor.
Just go to "My Computer" and let me know if any of your main folders show up in a blue color when logged in as the Administrator. This means that they are compressed which saves space, but slows down performance at the same time. For the 256mb image, this was needed to fit everything. However, its not needed for 512mb+ drives unless you are installing lots of apps.
I believe the stock image comes with certain files partially compressed, but would like to have someone verify this.
On a 1GB/1GB unit the following show up as compressed.
Documents and Settings.
Program Files
Windows
- George -
HolmanGT - St. George, UT MJ-Area/Prefix 435-275
ooma-Area/Prefix 435-579
Baja Broadband, up-1mb dn-10mb, on days with a good tail wind.
MJ on HP T5730 2GBF/2GBR Thin Client XPe SP2 Router Dlink Dir-655
On a 1GB/1GB unit the following show up as compressed.
Documents and Settings.
Program Files
Windows
Thanks for the fast update. The problem with removing the compression is that Windows won't take it off of files in use. You basically have to mount that volume on another computer or possibly boot using an XP Recovery mode cd and removing the compression.
I am currently playing around with this on my CF card, so I was able to mount it in a CF reader on another PC and remove all the NTFS compression.
Is it the 5720 you have 1gb ram on or did you find some that worked on the 5700/5710?
The one I read the info off of was a 5720, but I have a 5710 sitting on the floor with 1GB/1GB and it works fine. Why is it not supposed to, if so that is probably why mine works - "I didn't know the rules".
- George -
HolmanGT - St. George, UT MJ-Area/Prefix 435-275
ooma-Area/Prefix 435-579
Baja Broadband, up-1mb dn-10mb, on days with a good tail wind.
MJ on HP T5730 2GBF/2GBR Thin Client XPe SP2 Router Dlink Dir-655
The specs read 512mb max on the t5700 and t5710s. I had tried a 1gb stick of pc2700 DDR RAM and it stuck at the HP logo. I figured there might be some truth to the 512mb limitation, but its good to know that you got it going. Would you post the brand/model of the ram and where you purchased it?
Yes I have seen those 512 limitations someplace myself, don't remember where?
I used PNY 1GB SODIMMs compatible with PC2700, PC2100 and PC1600. MFG # MN1024SD1-333-BB
Purchased from "ta-da" Best Buy at the not very good price of $57 dollars each. Ouch! it hurts just to type it.
- George -
HolmanGT - St. George, UT MJ-Area/Prefix 435-275
ooma-Area/Prefix 435-579
Baja Broadband, up-1mb dn-10mb, on days with a good tail wind.
MJ on HP T5730 2GBF/2GBR Thin Client XPe SP2 Router Dlink Dir-655
For those of you that are running a TC -- have you found any operation issues such as the need to reboot after a set amount of time/days(considering thatit is running xp) . Do you run an antivirus/firewall on the unit to protect it? Or doyou just connect it to the internet as is?
For those of you that are running a TC -- have you found any operation issues such as the need to reboot after a set amount of time/days(considering thatit is running xp) . Do you run an antivirus/firewall on the unit to protect it? Or doyou just connect it to the internet as is?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Blessings
jwr
I don't think you will have a need to reboot these very often if at all because of the minimalistic version of XP they run. I have the firewall turned off on mine, but its behind my main firewall, so I am not that concerned. You also have to keep in mind that these things are setup with the EWF enabled. That means that if you somehow got a virus, you should be able to reboot and it would go back to its regular settings.
These come with sygate firewall pre-installed, so you can use it if you are concerned about network intrusions. Considering you won't be running unknown apps on it regularly, you should not have to worry about getting a virus.
For those of you that are running a TC -- have you found any operation issues such as the need to reboot after a set amount of time/days(considering thatit is running xp) . Do you run an antivirus/firewall on the unit to protect it? Or doyou just connect it to the internet as is?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Blessings
jwr
Well I will honestly answer your questions full well knowing I am going to catch a blast of you know what.
1. The need to reboot IMHO is Dependant on what MagicJack Inc. is up to not MJ the application or the OS. About a month back It would get hung-up about once or twice a week. In the past month neither my daughter or I have had to reboot. They just keep trucking along just fine and no obvious memory leaks.
2. I don't practice "Safe MJ" - the only protection I use is the firewall built into my router. The only other thing I use and that is just because it is an integral part of the thin client and that is the EWF which prevents anything that creeps in from becoming permanent. A simple reboot and the unit is back the way it was prior to becoming dirty. I can of course scan it from any of my desktops on the network for viruses, but it is just so much easier to cycle the power.
OK - Now all you security geeks can "Fire when ready Gridley". And I am not saying that security is not a smart thing to be aware of and use. I am saying that I am lazy and hate sharing resources with antivirus stuff. I also HATE to possibly give up sound quality to some overly zealous Internet protection system. I haven't done it yet but I believe I can isolate the thin client from my other machines via the router i.e. it won't be able to talk to any other computers on my network (which will make my remote access client a little unhappy).
- George -
HolmanGT - St. George, UT MJ-Area/Prefix 435-275
ooma-Area/Prefix 435-579
Baja Broadband, up-1mb dn-10mb, on days with a good tail wind.
MJ on HP T5730 2GBF/2GBR Thin Client XPe SP2 Router Dlink Dir-655
For those interested, I have created a pretty good t5700 install that I have backed up prior to the MJ software install. Once I get it backed up to a format you all can use, I will put it on rapidshare so anyone interested can download it.
Here are some details and keep in mind it will only be for the t5700 and not any other model.
Stroths t5700 custom flash version 1.0
Description:
This is a very functional, optimized flash for the HP t5700. It uses about 475MB of diskspace and has Java 1.6 rel 4 as well as .Net 2.0sp1 installed as well as a ton of tweaks. The system idles at around 50-55mb RAM usage prior to installing MJ (not counting the 64mb RAM Disk) All you need to do is install the MagicJack software.
System Requirements:
1GB USB Flash drive (DOK) or larger (will be formatted)
512mb or higher internal flash memory (1gb+ highly suggested)
256mb RAM (512mb suggested)
Changelog (from what I can remember):
1.0 - Intial Release
-Added Java 1.6 rel 4
-Added Microsoft .Net 2.0 service pack 1 (needed for CallerID Spoofer)
-Added HD Tach so you can test your flash speed
-Added right click access on "My Computer" to services, control panel and device manager
-Setup MagicJack service that is disabled by default. You can enable it after following the steps in the MJ forum sticky "Magic Jack as a service - a better way"
-Added desktop shortcuts to enable, disable and commit or check the status of the EWF
-Added CallerID Spoofer version by steveostop. I haven't tested it other than running the program, but it does run since .Net is installed.
-Updated USB drivers to fix issue with newer versions of the MJ causing the dreaded BSOD
-Set RamDrive to 64MB
-Default Admin autologin
-Set Java's temp cache to ramdrive
-Optimized for background services
-Uninstalled most unneeded apps that came stock on the unit (xpprep, citrix, windows media player, etc)-Disabled most of the compression on the drive to speed it up. I enabled compression on the .Net and Java folders due to their large space requirements.
-Disabled many services not needed (i.e. print spooler)
-Disabled autorun, but you can re-enable it if needed
-Disabled error reporting
-Disabled themes
-Disabled power management for USB ports and network card to prevent them from powering down and disrupting MJ service
-Disabled WBEM logging
-Disabled sygate firewall. You might want to re-enable this if you are not on a secure network.
-Removed arrow icons on shortcuts
Suggestions:
Setup your networking with a fixed IP and disable the DHCP service. This will speed up boot times and give you a little more RAM.
Reduce your ramdisk to a smaller number if you only have 256MB RAM total
You have been a busy man. You have done everything I could possible think of and then some.
Salute
- George -
HolmanGT - St. George, UT MJ-Area/Prefix 435-275
ooma-Area/Prefix 435-579
Baja Broadband, up-1mb dn-10mb, on days with a good tail wind.
MJ on HP T5730 2GBF/2GBR Thin Client XPe SP2 Router Dlink Dir-655
Scratch the whole idea of my image for now. ibr.exe images the whole drive, so I am stuck with a 2gb image since I used a 2gb CF card. I'll have to put some more thought into this
Thank you to both of you for your thoughts, ideas and help.
stroths,
When you say that your file will be for the T5700 -- do you mean the t5700 series? I have a t5710 coming, hopefully, by the end of this week. It will have 1.2ghz, 512/256 -- will your files work on it?
Also, could you please explain a little about the line below in your improvement list. I haven't read anything about this until you mentioned it.
"-Updated USB drivers to fix issue with newer versions of the MJ causing the dreaded BSOD "
jwryahoo wrote:Thank you to both of you for your thoughts, ideas and help.
stroths,
When you say that your file will be for the T5700 -- do you mean the t5700 series? I have a t5710 coming, hopefully, by the end of this week. It will have 1.2ghz, 512/256 -- will your files work on it?
Also, could you please explain a little about the line below in your improvement list. I haven't read anything about this until you mentioned it.
"-Updated USB drivers to fix issue with newer versions of the MJ causing the dreaded BSOD "
Thanks very much.
Blessings
jwr
My image won't work on the 5710 because the hardware is a little different. Regarding the BSOD, the USB drivers for the Ali chipset caused a BSOD for some with the newer magicjack hardware. Using the default/generic USB drivers from microsoft fixed the issue. There are instructions for it further back in this thread as well.
stroths wrote:Scratch the whole idea of my image for now. ibr.exe images the whole drive, so I am stuck with a 2gb image since I used a 2gb CF card. I'll have to put some more thought into this
Whoa, say it aint so!
I just ordered 2 Transcends 1Gig DOM's in anticiapation of installing your ccustomized version...
stroths wrote:Scratch the whole idea of my image for now. ibr.exe images the whole drive, so I am stuck with a 2gb image since I used a 2gb CF card. I'll have to put some more thought into this
Whoa, say it aint so!
I just ordered 2 Transcends 1Gig DOM's in anticiapation of installing your ccustomized version...
bill
I'll upload a version, but it will be LARGE (1gb). I am waiting on my shipment of 1gb Transcend modules to come in and I will flash the Acronis Image to it. I will then use the HP utility to make the standard image of the whole drive which will be 1gb unfortunately. I'll put it up to rapidshare in 100mb pieces when that time comes.
You will need a 2gb USB flash drive to flash this since it won't fit on a standard 1gb USB flash drive.
stroths wrote:
You will need a 2gb USB flash drive to flash this since it won't fit on a standard 1gb USB flash drive.
Crap...I have a 4gb and 8gb that's not compatible and went out and bought a 1gb that worked. To think the orignial premise was to purchase MagicJack to save $$$. If my wife finds out how much I've saved in the past few weeks she would kick my a_s...
stroths wrote:
You will need a 2gb USB flash drive to flash this since it won't fit on a standard 1gb USB flash drive.
Crap...I have a 4gb and 8gb that's not compatible and went out and bought a 1gb that worked. To think the orignial premise was to purchase MagicJack to save $$$. If my wife finds out how much I've saved in the past few weeks she would kick my a_s...
bill
Do you have an external USB CD ROM by any chance? If so, you could burn a bootable CD and put the image on it.
stroths wrote:I am waiting on my shipment of 1gb Transcend modules to come in...
When do expect them to arrive? They definitely aren't the fastest company, at least so far with my 2 orders.
bill
They shipped yesterday and I think they used that crappy UPS/USPS hybrid shipping. They call is UPS Ground, but UPS hands it off to the post office for delivery. It's more of a marketing ploy IMO to get people thinking they are receiving UPS all the way when they are really just adding an extra step to USPS shipping. If I'm lucky, it will get here on Saturday. Otherwise it will be early next week, so keep your fingers crossed.
Also, regarding the external USB CD ROM, I should have clarified to external DVD ROM Drive because a CDROM will handle 700mb max while a standard single layer DVD will handle 4.3gb.
stroths wrote:They shipped yesterday and I think they used that crappy UPS/USPS hybrid shipping. They call is UPS Ground, but UPS hands it off to the post office for delivery. It's more of a marketing ploy IMO to get people thinking they are receiving UPS all the way when they are really just adding an extra step to USPS shipping. If I'm lucky, it will get here on Saturday. Otherwise it will be early next week, so keep your fingers crossed.
I got my shipping notice yesterday for my 1Gig DOM's. Probably won't be here until next Tuesday.
stroths wrote:Also, regarding the external USB CD ROM, I should have clarified to external DVD ROM Drive because a CDROM will handle 700mb max while a standard single layer DVD will handle 4.3gb.
That's funny you mentioned that...as I was searching through my office for the external burner I realized it was only a CDRom burner. I've been searching for a cheap 2Gig or 4Gig flash drive that is guaranteed to worrk with the TC. You said you had a Sony 2Gig? What model number? Where did you get it?
The 2GB+ I am referring to is the external USB flash/thumb drive (DOK). You will need this to flash my version of the drive image since it will be right at 1gb. The 2gb I had mentioned in the other thread was the internal compact flash card (Sony NCFC2G).
stroths wrote:The 2GB+ I am referring to is the external USB flash/thumb drive (DOK). You will need this to flash my version of the drive image since it will be right at 1gb. The 2gb I had mentioned in the other thread was the internal compact flash card (Sony NCFC2G).
Sorry for the brain fart...I know what you wrote but my recall wasn't right. Gettin' old.... I still have to get a 2gGig flash/thumb drive. I wish my 4Gig or 8Gig would work...
stroths wrote:The 2GB+ I am referring to is the external USB flash/thumb drive (DOK). You will need this to flash my version of the drive image since it will be right at 1gb. The 2gb I had mentioned in the other thread was the internal compact flash card (Sony NCFC2G).
Sorry for the brain fart...I know what you wrote but my recall wasn't right. Gettin' old.... I still have to get a 2gGig flash/thumb drive. I wish my 4Gig or 8Gig would work...
What I could do is to create an ISO of the Acronis Image I created along with the software to restore it and you could burn it to a bootable CD because it would fit (<700mb) and you wouldn't have to spend anymore. I will look into that option this weekend if it would help.
stroths wrote:What I could do is to create an ISO of the Acronis Image I created along with the software to restore it and you could burn it to a bootable CD because it would fit (<700mb) and you wouldn't have to spend anymore. I will look into that option this weekend if it would help.
No need to go to all that extra work... I have a 2Gb thumb drive on its way. Should be here Monday...
I got it imaged and am currently uploading the compressed file in rar format. If you do not have a program that will open rar archives (i.e. winrar), you can google for 7-zip which is a freeware app that will open it up.
All download info is now located HERE in the HP Thin Client modifications thread I started previously.
Last edited by stroths on Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:26 am, edited 5 times in total.
I have a 2Gb thumb drive on its way. Should be here Monday...