Spring Wouln't Spring

bob3160 · Post by **bob3160** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:17 pm

Spring is having a problem.

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Our trees are starting to turn green but the white of winter doesn't want to let go.

msiam · Post by **msiam** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:30 am

What ever you do.. Don't tell Al Gore.. He might have to give his Nobel Peace Prize back that he got instead of letting the old woman that saved all those children from the Nazi's get it, and admit that he is full of SH!T!!!!

He just knows that he deserves it more

bob3160 · Post by **bob3160** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:46 am

msiam wrote:What ever you do.. Don't tell Al Gore.. He might have to give his Nobel Peace Prize back that he got instead of letting the old woman that saved all those children from the Nazi's get it, and admit that he is full of SH!T!!!! He just knows that he deserves it more

Amazing how some folks seem to turn everything into a political agenda ???

msiam · Post by **msiam** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:20 am

I guess I'm just too aware of the way things are in today's political climate to ignore it..It just seems to be in my every thought..

maine-iac · Post by **maine-iac** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:28 am

Not everything is a political statement. Sometimes a picture of a mountain with snow and green trees is just a picture of a mountain with snow and green trees.

msiam · Post by **msiam** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:30 am

Nice pictures...Thanks

lcompton · Post by **lcompton** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:01 pm

Good afternoon, msiam.

msiam wrote:What ever you do.. Don't tell Al Gore.. He might have to give his Nobel Peace Prize back that he got instead of letting the old woman that saved all those children from the Nazi's get it, and admit that he is full of SH!T!!!! He just knows that he deserves it more

Let me take this opportunity to congratulate you on your insight. Global Warming is a fiction fabricated from the naturally-occurring process of climate change and some very clever so-called think tankers helping elected officials identify new sources of tax revenue -- vis-a-vis the great carbon tax that we will all one day pay.

While the suckers of the world beg to be cared for by their respective governments, there await evil men and women in positions of power with large broom handles only too happy to thrust them where it hurts. It's not a conspiracy, mind you, it's human nature. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

You may find the following documentary, The Great Global Warming Swindle, of interest. Rest assured, you will never see it aired on American television.

Being responsible is difficult. It burns calories, forces one to think for themselves, and requires one to confront the ugliness of being alone and being subjected to the will of the state. Most people will never be responsible. It's just too unbearable. The thought of not having someone to make their decisions for them, to protect them, to feed them, to subjugate them, indeed, to care for them, is just too much.

Eventually, the subjugation becomes overbearing and history repeats itself. The people rise up in rebellion. Many people die. And, like the Phoenix, something more beautiful rises from the ashes. It's been written about time and time and time and time again. Nothing changes, except the dates, of course.

What man learns from the study of history is that man does not learn from the study of history.

Keep reading, observing and learning -- if you dare.

az2008 · Post by **az2008** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:32 pm

lcompton wrote:While the suckers of the world beg to be cared for by their respective governments, ...

How do you categorize your own participation in (and benefit from) social moderation of otherwise Darwinian fates? Things like the SEC, FDIC, zoning laws, building codes, food- & drug-quality laws. Things that produce market-based outcomes that a true, "free" market wouldn't. All by social fiat.

I'm just curious if you consistently apply your high-minded rhetoric (placing your views among the irrelevant fringe). Or, if you're just hypocritical (like most who spout libertarian ideals, as if it's everyone *else* is suckling at the teet of society).

Mark

msiam · Post by **msiam** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:07 pm

Thank you, Lisa. I get lonely and nosebleed way up here on this "Soap Box", It seems to be exactly as you have said, and that I'm shouting to people with their hands over their eyes, mouths, and ears.. I am paying attention to what is going on and it scares me to see what I see.. What scares me most is the complacent attitude that has too many people leaning back and thinking that it is all going to just take care of itself. Everyday I find Obozo's hand in my pocket digging around and taking more of mine and my childrens childrens future to pay for his Zombies comfort and captivity today. But he did a very good job of indoctrinating his Zombies, cause it seems that no one will believe that the light at the end of the tunnel is the "Obozo Train". Yes, I saw the snow on the top of the Mountain and thought of the BS that Gore was trying to dump on us from his "Movie About A Slide Show" What an "Inconvenient Crock'aCrap". "Hey, the sky is falling..Cha Ching.. That was the first thing that popped into my mind. You watch how many "Nahhhh"s we get outta these posts. All the Obozo Zombies will be on this like we've insulted their Messiah.. I'll be very surprised if it takes more than 20 minutes.. And they don't want this Political discussion here.. Hey folks.. Its the lounge, read the rules..Besides, I know that it ain't really Obama, he's just the front man for the real Broom Handle thrusters..They're shootin for "The New World Order" folks, and Obombies are handing it to'em..

bitstopjoe · Post by **bitstopjoe** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:26 pm

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
In fact I plan on making conservative message tshirts.. The VERY first is going to be : "Global Warming?? IT'S THE SUN STUPID" plus MANY more I have come up with....

Joe Sica

msiam · Post by **msiam** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:01 pm

These idiots even want to begin taxing dairies for cow flatulence, I agree that we should, maybe, pinch our nose, but, "cha ching" ?? Again, "Inconvenient BS" Okay, Im done, unless someone wants to jump in my sh!t for Anti Gore and Obozo..

Joe.. I like the T-Shirt..

lcompton · Post by **lcompton** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:06 pm

Hi, again, msiam.

msiam wrote:Thank you, Lisa. I get lonely...

You are not alone. There are many people who see through the B.S.

Evil states are unsustainable over time. Your observation that Obama is a front-man is on point. The concept of left and right, communist and facist, Democrat and Republican are distractions. There are two forms of government -- oligarchs and constitutional republics, usually referred to as republics. Most Americans don't even realize what kind of government is the United States. In fact, the media perpetuates the falsehood by consistently referring to the United States as a democracy. Not only is the United States not a democracy, but there is actually no such thing as a democracy. Democracies are, by definition, oligarchs.

Oligarchs are ruled by a privileged elite who victimize the people of the state through manipulation, lies, and pseudo-issues in order to distract the people from the illegal and evil affairs in which the privileged elite engage. Republics are ruled by a constitution, a body of laws, that protect the people from the men and women serving in government. The challenge of a republic is maintaining its viability over time.

You may watch this brief ten-minute video for a simple, but accurate, presentation on the false left-right paradigm and concepts of government.

lcompton · Post by **lcompton** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:14 pm

Good evening, Joe.

bitstopjoe wrote:AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
In fact I plan on making conservative message tshirts.. The VERY first is going to be : "Global Warming?? IT'S THE SUN STUPID" plus MANY more I have come up with....

Very good. In fact, Earth's climate is scientifically and measurably tied to sunspot activity. This is well-researched and well-documented.

But, beware of calling your T-shirts conservative message T-shirts. There is nothing conservative about unpoliticized scientific research, accuracy, or admitting when we just plain don't know something. It's about being honest with ourselves first, and then with others.

Keep up the good fight!

msiam · Post by **msiam** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:21 pm

Lisa, You said it the way I wish was my style, You get it. I see it as the Govt of this country has the illusion that we are supposed to work for them, when, in fact, the Govt misconstrues the Constitution and takes advantage of the fact that very few even know what is the law of the Constitutionl. The Govt uses this fog to make many believe that they are above the law, when in fact, they work for us, and can be fired. They are getting better and better at taking advantage of this misunderstanding and making it up as they go on how to profit from the masses.. Hey everyone!! READ THE CONSTITUTION!! If many would, we could see a change in the near future..REAL CHANGE!! Not the Obozo BS Change..

az2008 · Post by **az2008** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:37 pm

lcompton wrote:Not only is the United States not a democracy, but there is actually no such thing as a democracy. Democracies are, by definition, oligarchs.

I'm just glad we're past the high-sounding libertarian rhetoric about how people want to be taken care of by government -- as you benefit from various social institutions (undoubtedly meaning "taken care of" in ways you don't find useful).

The distinction between democracy and republic is one without much point. Republics are democracies. The only way a republic can be constituted and continue to exist is by popular will for, and continuation of the laws of the republic.

A republic with unchanging laws (not subject to popular change) is itself an oligarchy. Pressing the popular will of a prior generation (who passed the laws by majority rule) upon the current generation.

Drawing a big distinction between republics and democracies is a distraction (like claiming others wrongfully rely upon government when the claimant engages in the same thing).

Mark

bitstopjoe · Post by **bitstopjoe** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:40 pm

Actually they are going to be called Conserv a tees.. Because they are going to have conservative messages. Such as...

Drill in Alaska, the caribou would love the company

Annoy a liberal, EARN a living

The ONLY gun control needed is using 2 hands..

Is there life after death? Try to take my gun away and find out!

Plus plenty more... Since I am an out of work PC guy and TIRED of all the liberal crap I decided to try something.

A REAL GOOD read is www.the912project.com
That man needs to run for office!! ( Glenn Beck 2012)

Joe Sica

lcompton · Post by **lcompton** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:47 pm

msiam,

msiam wrote:Lisa, You said it the way I wish was my style, You get it. I see it as the Govt of this country has the illusion that we are supposed to work for them, when, in fact, the Govt misconstrues the Constitution and takes advantage of the fact that very few even know what is the law of the Constitutionl. The Govt uses this fog to make many believe that they are above the law, when in fact, they work for us, and can be fired. They are getting better and better at taking advantage of this misunderstanding and making it up as they go on how to profit from the masses.. Hey everyone!! READ THE CONSTITUTION!! If many would, we could see a change in the near future..REAL CHANGE!! Not the Obozo BS Change..

The Constitution of the United States belongs to the people.

Men and women in government are becoming increasingly aggressive in terrorizing law-abiding Americans for political dissent. Last month, the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC), a division of the Missouri Department of Public Safety, published an official eight-page document suggesting (on page seven) that Ron Paul supporters (among others) may be terrorists. This report infuriated many Americans, including myself (because I actually wrote in Ron Paul's name on my ballot last November to cast my vote for him for President.)

Fortunately, the public outrage was enough to have the director of the Missouri Department of Public Safety on administrative leave and the lieutenant governor of Missouri to hold a press conference effectively recanting the MIAC report.

Things are progressively getting worse. Anyone who sees through the B.S. and expresses differing points of view is being targeted with increasing frequency by the corrupt men and women in government and other blind Americans who have chosen to accept the lies. The more extreme among these people, especially men and women in government hiding behind their badges and organizations, will arrest, imprison and even murder those expressing dissenting views as the 1770's plays out all over again.

It is no more unlawful, irrelevant, traitorous, blasphemous or terroristic to espouse what one sees than it was for Galileo to suggest a structure of the universe that differed from that of the Catholic Church during his time. Remember that -- always.

lcompton · Post by **lcompton** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:50 pm

Joe,

bitstopjoe wrote:Is there life after death? Try to take my gun away and find out!

On this, we are in agreement.

lcompton · Post by **lcompton** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:54 pm

bitstopjoe · Post by **bitstopjoe** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:00 pm

Glenn Beck has had Ron Paul on his radio and TV show MANY times now ( Fox news 5pm)
His new web page is a MUST read for everyone who cares about our future
www.the912project.com
I added a period in my previous post, now fixed..

One more T slogan
You cant spell environmentalist without the word MENTAL, think about it.

Joe Sica

az2008 · Post by **az2008** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:03 pm

lcompton wrote:published an official eight-page document suggesting (on page seven) that Ron Paul supporters (among others) may be terrorists.

Ron Paul supporters are just irrelevant. Libertarianism has garnered a consistent 3% support for the past 30 years.

Libertarian rhetoric sounds good to those who are "angry as heII and not going to take it." The problem is the devils in the details. Like whining about people expecting government to take care of them -- only to realize that a consistent application of libertarian philosophy/rhetoric would lead us to a perfectly Darwinian world. (No regulation of the stock market, banks, food and drug markets, home building and land use.).

That's when most libertarians lose interest. And, why popularity always returns back to 3%.

There are a few libertarians who take the rhetoric to its natural conclusion, and stand by their principles (defending the conclusion even if it makes them irrelevant). But, the vast majority realize how untenable it is, and quietly amend their beliefs.

Mark

msiam · Post by **msiam** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:11 pm

Joe, I will be needing a couple of the shirts, I like the short and to the point sayings.. And I don't miss any of What Glen Beck has to say..

Lisa, I am with you on the Ron Paul idea. I'm sure you noticed how the Main Stream Media helped so much with making the Zombies watching and believing CNN (Owned by the Broom Thrusters) and the rest of the Media that Ron was invisible. The masses paid no attention to logic and all they heard was "CHANGE" and "HOPE".with no explanation. Then I begin seeing all the Sheep following the hyped up rhetoric from this empty suit.. The first I heard of Ron was in the beginning of my Magic Jack days when the Chat was run by MJ techs and there were a few talking about him while we all waited for an answer to the many problems and the users were actually a huge source of support then too.. I follow Ron, and have from the beginning, I also was one of the many that called and sent faxes to the senate about the MIAC report, Suddenly, with my "RON PAUL WAS RIGHT" Bumper sticker..I was a Terrorist??? Geeze, I got pissed..I must've sent 20 faxes and called senators from WI and FL.. I was not happy with that one..I also stocked up on my ammo

az2008 · Post by **az2008** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:18 pm

msiam wrote:Lisa, I am with you on the Ron Paul idea. I'm sure you noticed how the Main Stream Media helped so much with making the Zombies watching..

Libertarianism is just incoherent. It doesn't need the help of the media to make that point. It's been incoherent for 30 years. (Even longer if you take into account its origin with Ayn Rand's objectivism.).

If libertarianism is taken to its natural conclusions, it leads to unrealistic (irrelevant) views. That's why Ron Paul was marginalized. Not because of the media. But, because saying "the states should do that" to every problem didn't make sense to anyone.

Calling potential supporters "zombies" didn't help either.

Mark

bitstopjoe · Post by **bitstopjoe** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:22 pm

Msiam:
I am the slogan guy for the t shirts. I am waiting on another to get a t shirt press. I will let you know IF and when they are avail.

Another:
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy

Yep all are short and to the point. Makes it easy for Liberals to read that way

Would LOVE to work for a think tank one day .................

Joe Sica

lcompton · Post by **lcompton** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:24 pm

msiam,

msiam wrote:...I also was one of the many that called and sent faxes to the senate about the MIAC report, Suddenly, with my "RON PAUL WAS RIGHT" Bumper sticker..I was a Terrorist??? Geeze, I got pissed..I must've sent 20 faxes and called senators from WI and FL.. I was not happy with that one

The MIAC report is very disturbing and illustrates how far terroristic men and women in the employ of the state will go to demonize law-abiding responsible citizens who express dissenting points of view. These men and women are evil people who are ready, willing, able and licensed by the state to murder their fellow Americans. It is important to note that not all men and women in the employ of the state are traitors. There are good men and women who will not obey the illegal and terrorisic orders of their evil superiors. It is worth noting that the MIAC report surfaced because one good and honorable Missouri State Trooper reported the evil of the MIAC report to the public.

msiam wrote:..I also stocked up on my ammo

Ammunition is difficult to find these days. Even reloading supplies have dried up. If you know of a source for ammunition that is in-stock, I'd very much appreciate a private message with more information. My ammunition supply could use an increase as well.

Earlier this week I spoke with my old combat firearms instructor who has promised to call me early next week with some possible suppliers.

Keep your powder dry.

az2008 · Post by **az2008** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:40 pm

lcompton wrote:There are good men and women who will not obey the illegal and terrorisic orders of their evil superiors.

About 2% of the voting population? (about .5% of the actual population?).

The rhetoric is sounding strangely similar to the early- mid-90s. Michigan Militia. Montana Freemen. A tiny fraction of the population who were going to save Americans from "sheeple" status. Americans who would join the "militia" if they weren't "blinded" by their "taskmasters."

Same nonsense. Different day. Libertarianism just as offensive, and still gets 2% of the vote.

Mark

bob3160 · Post by **bob3160** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:27 pm

It's amazing how a photo of a mountain that I see and photographed has set you folks off on some political spin which has nothing to do with the picture posted or the title of this post.

If you want to discuss politics, why not start your own thread on that subject. ???

lcompton · Post by **lcompton** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:35 pm

Good evening, bob3160.

bob3160 wrote:It's amazing how a photo of a mountain that I see and photographed has set you folks off on some political spin which has nothing to do with the picture posted or the title of this post.

If you want to discuss politics, why not start your own thread on that subject. ???

Nice pictures! I liked them a lot.

It looks like a nice place for target practice.

ROFL

bob3160 · Post by **bob3160** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:08 pm

lcompton wrote:Good evening, bob3160.

bob3160 wrote:It's amazing how a photo of a mountain that I see and photographed has set you folks off on some political spin which has nothing to do with the picture posted or the title of this post.

If you want to discuss politics, why not start your own thread on that subject. ???
Nice pictures! I liked them a lot.

It looks like a nice place for target practice.

ROFL

Much nicer for hiking and camping.

mberlant · Post by **mberlant** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:27 am

I, too, saw just the mountains blanketed with snow. Thank you for the photographs.

msiam · Post by **msiam** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:08 am

I saw proof that Al Gore is full of crap.. But now that you point out the nice snow capped mountains.. Nice Pics....

mberlant · Post by **mberlant** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:14 am

Al Gore did have a serious job lined up at the end of 2000. He was chosen by the plurality of voters to be the 43rd president. Had Al Gore been permitted to take the White House, could Dubya have accomplished anything to be judged by the world's most respected independent evaluation committee as worthy of the world's most prestigious award?

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