UH OH! - No more ATA?

srvctek · Post by **srvctek** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:03 pm

Does anyone know if the serial number of the dongle is being sent, is there a way to sniff the packets and reveal absolutely everything?

mufon · Post by **mufon** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:08 pm

srvctek wrote:Does anyone know if the serial number of the dongle is being sent, is there a way to sniff the packets and reveal absolutely everything?

The serial number is what uniquely identifies the MJ. It is encoded and encrypted in the dbkey.

srvctek · Post by **srvctek** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:14 pm

mufon wrote:
srvctek wrote:Does anyone know if the serial number of the dongle is being sent, is there a way to sniff the packets and reveal absolutely everything?
The serial number is what uniquely identifies the MJ. It is encoded and encrypted in the dbkey.

an ata cant emulate that can it?

pcdocta · Post by **pcdocta** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:16 pm

mufon wrote:
srvctek wrote:Does anyone know if the serial number of the dongle is being sent, is there a way to sniff the packets and reveal absolutely everything?
The serial number is what uniquely identifies the MJ. It is encoded and encrypted in the dbkey.

I can understand that the "The serial number is what uniquely identifies the MJ. It is encoded and encrypted in the dbkey" but that was never required before to make the ATAs work. Plus, does the SIP 2.0 protocol allow for the serial number to be passed thru the communication? I would think the serial number is what they use to bind your phone number to....just my thoughts

pancho1950 · Post by **pancho1950** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:22 pm

srvctek wrote:
mufon wrote:
srvctek wrote:Does anyone know if the serial number of the dongle is being sent, is there a way to sniff the packets and reveal absolutely everything?
The serial number is what uniquely identifies the MJ. It is encoded and encrypted in the dbkey.
an ata cant emulate that can it?

you can find your serial # by going into my pc right click manage device manager DVD/CDROM devices double click in to YMAX MagicJack USB Device details
USBSTOR\CDROM&VEN_YMAX&PROD_MAGICJACK&REV_2.00\7&10CE61F0&0&A9XXXXXXXXXXXX&1
tHE A9XXXXXXXXXXXX WOULD BE YOUR SERIAL #

srvctek · Post by **srvctek** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:33 pm

pancho1950 wrote:
srvctek wrote:
mufon wrote: The serial number is what uniquely identifies the MJ. It is encoded and encrypted in the dbkey.
an ata cant emulate that can it?
you can find your serial # by going into my pc right click manage device manager DVD/CDROM devices double click in to YMAX MagicJack USB Device details
USBSTOR\CDROM&VEN_YMAX&PROD_MAGICJACK&REV_2.00\7&10CE61F0&0&A9XXXXXXXXXXXX&1
tHE A9XXXXXXXXXXXX WOULD BE YOUR SERIAL #

Yes I know how to find it but if its being encrypted and sent in the packet how can an ata send that if they are looking for it?

pancho1950 · Post by **pancho1950** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:39 pm

srvctek wrote:
pancho1950 wrote:
srvctek wrote: an ata cant emulate that can it?
you can find your serial # by going into my pc right click manage device manager DVD/CDROM devices double click in to YMAX MagicJack USB Device details
USBSTOR\CDROM&VEN_YMAX&PROD_MAGICJACK&REV_2.00\7&10CE61F0&0&A9XXXXXXXXXXXX&1
tHE A9XXXXXXXXXXXX WOULD BE YOUR SERIAL #
Yes I know how to find it but if its being encrypted and sent in the packet how can an ata send that if they are looking for it?

Use pmdump.exe dump it to a file then use strings.exe to convert unicode into plain ascii then search for your serial num and how is sent to server

pcdocta · Post by **pcdocta** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:31 pm

Use pmdump.exe dump it to a file then use strings.exe to convert unicode into plain ascii then search for your serial num and how is sent to server

hey have you tried that yourself? did it work? pls share what if anything you got by doing what you are saying....thanks

pancho1950 · Post by **pancho1950** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:34 pm

pcdocta wrote:
Use pmdump.exe dump it to a file then use strings.exe to convert unicode into plain ascii then search for your serial num and how is sent to server

hey have you tried that yourself? did it work? pls share what if anything you got by doing what you are saying....thanks

I saw my serial # several times but I do not know what it does may be some one other than me should do it also

pcdocta · Post by **pcdocta** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:45 pm

pancho1950 wrote:
pcdocta wrote:
Use pmdump.exe dump it to a file then use strings.exe to convert unicode into plain ascii then search for your serial num and how is sent to server

hey have you tried that yourself? did it work? pls share what if anything you got by doing what you are saying....thanks
I saw my serial # several times but I do not know what it does may be some one other than me should do it also

if you are "seeing your several times" pls post a copy of what you saw and "X" out the parts you dont need anyone seeing in the serial so that others here may be able to decipher it or come up with an idea.

I personally did not notice it when I ran wireshark but I also was not looking for it so I guess I will look for it later... anyone else "seen" their serial number using any protocol analyzer??

pancho1950 · Post by **pancho1950** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:54 pm

pcdocta wrote:
pancho1950 wrote:
pcdocta wrote:
hey have you tried that yourself? did it work? pls share what if anything you got by doing what you are saying....thanks
I saw my serial # several times but I do not know what it does may be some one other than me should do it also

if you are "seeing your several times" pls post a copy of what you saw and "X" out the parts you dont need anyone seeing in the serial so that others here may be able to decipher it or come up with an idea.

I personally did not notice it when I ran wireshark but I also was not looking for it so I guess I will look for it later... anyone else "seen" their serial number using any protocol analyzer??

ServiceControlIndication.callSpecific
A9XXXXXXXXXXXX
SJ-DISCOVERY-ANNAUNCEMENT-PROTOCOL
A9XXXXXXXXXXXX

pcdocta · Post by **pcdocta** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:59 pm

pancho1950 wrote:
pcdocta wrote:
pancho1950 wrote: I saw my serial # several times but I do not know what it does may be some one other than me should do it also

if you are "seeing your several times" pls post a copy of what you saw and "X" out the parts you dont need anyone seeing in the serial so that others here may be able to decipher it or come up with an idea.

I personally did not notice it when I ran wireshark but I also was not looking for it so I guess I will look for it later... anyone else "seen" their serial number using any protocol analyzer??
ServiceControlIndication.callSpecific
A9XXXXXXXXXXXX
SJ-DISCOVERY-ANNAUNCEMENT-PROTOCOL
A9XXXXXXXXXXXX

did you see this info under the SIP description? TCP/IP ? or what area of the packet are you seeing this?

pancho1950 · Post by **pancho1950** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:03 pm

In the dump file that I did with pmdump.exe right after mj started

pcdocta · Post by **pcdocta** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:33 pm

pancho1950 wrote:In the dump file that I did with pmdump.exe right after mj started

That sounds like an application call and not anything going thru the SIP protocol or tcp-ip. Unless you are seeing this in the networking communication to their voip system with the dongle plugged in, I dont think it counts. For the serial number argument to be valid, I would like to think that you can see it on the network using a network protocol analyzer like wireshark.
Has anyone seen their serial number using wireshark??

pancho1950 · Post by **pancho1950** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:38 pm

If you see it in wireshark it would be encrypted "sj" that tells me something it has to do with the register SJ-DISCOVERY-ANNAUNCEMENT-PROTOCOL

mufon · Post by **mufon** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:01 pm

pcdocta wrote:
mufon wrote:
srvctek wrote:Does anyone know if the serial number of the dongle is being sent, is there a way to sniff the packets and reveal absolutely everything?
The serial number is what uniquely identifies the MJ. It is encoded and encrypted in the dbkey.

I can understand that the "The serial number is what uniquely identifies the MJ. It is encoded and encrypted in the dbkey" but that was never required before to make the ATAs work. Plus, does the SIP 2.0 protocol allow for the serial number to be passed thru the communication? I would think the serial number is what they use to bind your phone number to....just my thoughts

The dkey is used in the initial provisioning of the MJ, it's not needed by the ata because it is manually provisioned by you when you fill in the user and password fields.

SUNBURNED · Post by **SUNBURNED** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:36 pm

Thanks so much angel-78! I'm going to try it, and see what happens. Thanks again!

SUNBURNED · Post by **SUNBURNED** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:56 pm

angel-78, sent you a PM. Having trouble figuring out how to update my AC211 with the *.cfg file...

Thanks!

greg7usa · Post by **greg7usa** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:30 pm

I think MJ is using certificate now after the upgrade.
Check out User\AppData\Roming\mjusbsp\ar00000\majicJack.dll

http://csc3-2004-aia.verisign.com/CSC3-2004-aia.cer

dtm · Post by **dtm** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:25 am

What if what we think is the ProxyUserPassword (or name) is not really the password anymore? What if they left the old code in there but are not really using it?

Test: Somebody do a MD5 hash on the 20 character password they have extracted and see if it matches the hash being sent by the dongle when it registers. I am not set up to do this test but would be interested in the result.

pagemen · Post by **pagemen** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:45 am

I have some old saved Wireshark capture from 2008. Compare with the recent update

1) 401 unauthorized then 200 OK
2) User-Agent: ENSR2.5.47.0-IS11-RMRG0-RG900-xxxxxxxx
3) realm="stratus.com"

all these are normal and can be found on both sessions.

However, as "greg7usa" suggested, MJ now use TLS during the register process, which can be found clearly from Wireshark capture, so we need the client key to start with, and use eyeBeam to do the test. Even so, since there is no TLS support in the popular PAP2T(and lots of other ATAs), it might be the end of the party.

imho, if your ATA is still working, consider yourself lucky but its just a matter of time for MJ to update all servers/accounts to the new register process.

jharl · Post by **jharl** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:11 am

I found this in there.

Refer to the documentation provided for an HTTPS server for specific information.
Firmware release 2.0.6 supports the following cipher suites for SSL connection to a server using HTTPS. Future release updates may implement additional cipher suites.
Table 1-2Cipher Suites Supported for Connecting to an HTTPS Server
Numeric Code
Cipher Suite
0x0039
TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA
0x0035
TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA
0x0033
TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA
0x002f
TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA
0x0005
TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_SHA
0x0004
TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_MD5
0x0062
TLS_RSA_EXPORT1024_WITH_RC4_56_SHA
0x0060
TLS_RSA_EXPORT1024_WITH_RC4_56_MD5
0x0003
TLS_RSA_EXPORT_WITH_RC4_40_MD5

paulc21269 · Post by **paulc21269** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:29 am

could a script be made like we had for caller id change that the ata would go through the pc via script to register. then we couldplay and see what it is loking for. Not sure if it could be done but a idea any way.

Paul

I miss my ata club

pcdocta · Post by **pcdocta** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:53 pm

My opinion as to why they are enforcing use of their usb dongle... The magicjack software uses advertising banners in which I think helps them to make money. Dont forget, they are the only ones ( I think) that offer voip service for 19.95 per year people, not per month. Can you blame them for trying to protect their interests? But at the same time, there are methods to block the magicjack pop-ups and even to run it as a service so that tells me that not too many people give a rats azz about the banner ads or spending more money on something else other than what we were looking for, voip service for very cheap.
Hopefully someone will crack this latest effort to block our ATAs in the near future. Another idea myself and some friends had and maybe some of you on this forum may have though about, is to get a small profile PC with minimum specs like maybe 512mb ram, 40gb hdd, windows xp, and set it up on the side with the dongle and forget about it. Once you have it up and running and configured, you dont need to have a keyboard, mouse or monitor, just tuck it away and give yourself remote access to it. You still wont see any banner ads and we still will have cheap voip service. Also, for those of you that like to download torrents, you can make this your torrent box also. (a cheap laptop with usb 2.0 would work too). In the end this solution is still way cheaper on the monthly electric bill and the folks at MJ can go F$#@ themselves. Ebay is a place to start.

bigstevep · Post by **bigstevep** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:26 pm

pcdocta wrote: Another idea myself and some friends had and maybe some of you on this forum may have though about, is to get a small profile PC with minimum specs like maybe 512mb ram, 40gb hdd, windows xp, and set it up on the side with the dongle and forget about it. Once you have it up and running and configured, you dont need to have a keyboard, mouse or monitor, just tuck it away and give yourself remote access to it. You still wont see any banner ads and we still will have cheap voip service. Also, for those of you that like to download torrents, you can make this your torrent box also. (a cheap laptop with usb 2.0 would work too). In the end this solution is still way cheaper on the monthly electric bill and the folks at MJ can go F$#@ themselves. Ebay is a place to start.

It called a Thin Client and is working and widely discussed here already. Twice the cost of the ATA but lower voltage and you can use for a print server etc. Voice quality isn't as good as ATA since you are still using that cheap MJ dongle

xboxuser1 · Post by **xboxuser1** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:26 pm

For sure it's a solution .... BUT! .... trust me.... the quality are not the same with the dongle! this is why lot of people use ATA, for the voice quality!

pcdocta · Post by **pcdocta** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:30 pm

bigstevep wrote:
pcdocta wrote: Another idea myself and some friends had and maybe some of you on this forum may have though about, is to get a small profile PC with minimum specs like maybe 512mb ram, 40gb hdd, windows xp, and set it up on the side with the dongle and forget about it. Once you have it up and running and configured, you dont need to have a keyboard, mouse or monitor, just tuck it away and give yourself remote access to it. You still wont see any banner ads and we still will have cheap voip service. Also, for those of you that like to download torrents, you can make this your torrent box also. (a cheap laptop with usb 2.0 would work too). In the end this solution is still way cheaper on the monthly electric bill and the folks at MJ can go F$#@ themselves. Ebay is a place to start.
It called a Thin Client and is working and widely discussed here already. Twice the cost of the ATA but lower voltage and you can use for a print server etc. Voice quality isn't as good as ATA since you are still using that cheap MJ dongle

Thanks. I know what it is, I was just trying to describe it in plain english for people who do not understand the lingo my friend.

lostsoul · Post by **lostsoul** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:07 pm

I was wondering if one of the staff members could possibly pm me. I was discussing the scenerio we face with our magicjacks to a buddy of mine. He gave me an idea that might be a viable solution to one of the issues with the magicjack, albeit not the ATA issue

I know their has been mention of company people frequenting the forum thus asking for a admin/mod contact me so they can ask an appropriate person to try this since I'm unable to do so.

Thanks

rrichiez · Post by **rrichiez** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:38 pm

If they make it so hard I was wondering. Can someone invent something like a MJ buddy? like a mini dockingstation for MJ that uses circuites and other eproms rathter than a cpu and would be plugged in to a 12 volt adapter . This could replace the notion of having a computer turned on all day and not having to pay a big electricity bill. this way you could use the dongle and port it over to your needs....

Im not an electrician, but well just a thought.....

rrichiez

srvctek · Post by **srvctek** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:54 pm

It already has been invented...Its called a thin client

banstro · Post by **banstro** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:51 pm

srvctek wrote:It already has been invented...Its called a thin client

I have it configured on thin client. Works perfect, but the call quality is not as great as ATA.

Any idea how much power does a HP T5720 takes? and how much it costs per month when kept running 24x7?

srvctek · Post by **srvctek** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:13 pm

I know my thin client only pulls about 9 watts which is not going to be very noticeable on the electric bill. I agree, the callers voice gets choppy at times when my pap2 was perfect.

banstro · Post by **banstro** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:25 pm

srvctek wrote:I know my thin client only pulls about 9 watts which is not going to be very noticeable on the electric bill. I agree, the callers voice gets choppy at times when my pap2 was perfect.

9 watts is how much per month in $$? like 3 bucks maybe?

jeffnyc · Post by **jeffnyc** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:39 am

banstro wrote:
srvctek wrote:I know my thin client only pulls about 9 watts which is not going to be very noticeable on the electric bill. I agree, the callers voice gets choppy at times when my pap2 was perfect.
9 watts is how much per month in $$? like 3 bucks maybe?

unfortunately in nyc its probably more like $10

spencer · Post by **spencer** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:56 pm

jeffnyc wrote:
banstro wrote:
srvctek wrote:I know my thin client only pulls about 9 watts which is not going to be very noticeable on the electric bill. I agree, the callers voice gets choppy at times when my pap2 was perfect.
9 watts is how much per month in $$? like 3 bucks maybe?
unfortunately in nyc its probably more like $10

Curious, how do you guys go this number? In San Diego, it is about $0.13 per kwh.

So 9 watts will cost less than $1 per month. Did I miss something or I need to go back to elementary school?

srvctek · Post by **srvctek** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:39 am

you are correct, it draws practically nothing, it still doesnt compare to the pap2 in call quality but its acceptable

spencer · Post by **spencer** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:59 am

srvctek wrote:you are correct, it draws practically nothing, it still doesnt compare to the pap2 in call quality but its acceptable

srvctek · Post by **srvctek** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:11 am

spencer wrote:
srvctek wrote:you are correct, it draws practically nothing, it still doesnt compare to the pap2 in call quality but its acceptable

srvctek · Post by **srvctek** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:12 am

srvctek wrote:
spencer wrote:
srvctek wrote:you are correct, it draws practically nothing, it still doesnt compare to the pap2 in call quality but its acceptable

mijo · Post by **mijo** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:31 pm

hey guys, im having the same problem, my sunrcoket modem is no longer working with magicjack. is there any solution coming soon?

also i know this might sound stupid, but i was looking on ebay and i found this http://cgi.ebay.com/4X-USB-A-Female-to- ... 1|294%3A50

will magicjack work with that?

McKite · Post by **McKite** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:35 pm

well, it will NOT work with a mj...

grillovillegas · Post by **grillovillegas** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:03 pm

Hi

Just to let you know i had a MJ since last month
never did an update since i bought it
and yesterday i tested in my ata with the old
credentials and everything and its working fine
calls can come in and call out.

MJ is on a PAP2 register 300 ms
and proxy server is with 01
old credentials but never update the device.

Let me know what you think

crackerjack · Post by **crackerjack** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:11 pm

grillovillegas wrote:Hi

Just to let you know i had a MJ since last month
never did an update since i bought it
and yesterday i tested in my ata with the old
credentials and everything and its working fine
calls can come in and call out.

MJ is on a PAP2 register 300 ms
and proxy server is with 01
old credentials but never update the device.

Let me know what you think

I think you should enjoy it while it lasts!!!!

Good Luck

Crackerjack

grillovillegas · Post by **grillovillegas** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:26 am

crackerjack wrote:
grillovillegas wrote:Hi

Just to let you know i had a MJ since last month
never did an update since i bought it
and yesterday i tested in my ata with the old
credentials and everything and its working fine
calls can come in and call out.

MJ is on a PAP2 register 300 ms
and proxy server is with 01
old credentials but never update the device.

Let me know what you think

I think you should enjoy it while it lasts!!!!

Good Luck

Crackerjack

But why some devices work and some not
infact i had another one that stoped working
and i returned to the store but this one still
works all on the same ATA.

Thanks

arcadia2uk · Post by **arcadia2uk** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:12 pm

unfortunately in nyc its probably more like $10

Even at announced horror cost of 31.77c per kwh in NYC, it only turns out to just above $2/month.
9watts * 24 hours * 30 days / 1000 = 6.48 kwh * 31.77c = $2.059/month
while the US average is 11c or a cost of 71 cents/month + the cost of the MJ service.
In my mind this is quite a lot cheaper than any VoIP service attached to an ATA...

FunkyTown · Post by **FunkyTown** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:51 pm

any updates ?

srvctek · Post by **srvctek** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:28 pm

For the sake of nickles and dimes you could shut it down before bed and reboot when you get up, then you could use that dollar you saved at the end of the month for your kids college fund

grillovillegas · Post by **grillovillegas** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:25 pm

Give me a breake and find a solution !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dont talk about bull @$%@#%@#

jharl · Post by **jharl** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:44 am

I just got finished setting up a wyse thin client. call quality is ok but not as good as my spa2100. I am tired of working the spa and mj so I just bailed and set this one up. it is not one if those predone ones for mj I just did it myself.

thnks to all of you who tried to figure it out and congrats to those whom did, but Bah to those whom would not share the info to setup the ATAs since the 6/9 upgrade.

jharl

R0ss · Post by **R0ss** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:13 pm

mijo wrote:hey guys, im having the same problem, my sunrcoket modem is no longer working with magicjack. is there any solution coming soon?

also i know this might sound stupid, but i was looking on ebay and i found this http://cgi.ebay.com/4X-USB-A-Female-to- ... 1|294%3A50

will magicjack work with that?

Don't know if it would work or not, but since this little adapter doesn't pass any power to the usb device and it has been well documented that MJ shuld be plugged into a powered hub or port I'm guessing it is moot.

Ross

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