Anyone hear of this MJ like ( BUT ATA) device?????

mohoelx · Post by **mohoelx** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:26 pm

Just thought I'd mention I got a NetTalk 6000 and it has worked for me very well. They got the DTMF problem resolved about 3 or 4 days after I received my unit, they have activated voice mail, and on my Uverse set-up, I've not had a single port or connection loss issue.

The only thing I'm still waiting on is a rather odd periodic garbling while on a call. Seems about every 10 - 15 minutes, there will be a 1 - 2 second 'hitch' where the sound bubbles and slows, then breaks free. Weird, but workable since it's so short.

One difference that may surprise folks is that NT6k has a 90 minute per-call limit as opposed to MJ's 120 minute per-call limit.

joe123 · Post by **joe123** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:09 pm

mohoelx wrote:since my dear wife will NOT let us get rid of our home number we've had for 20 years, and neither MJ nor TK will be up for 'porting' Bell POTS numbers in either of their lifetimes, I'm sure!

I am in the same boat

Has anyone figure out a way to have both ring the same phone?

I have a Uniden DECT 6.0 base with 6 wireless phones. Is there a way to have it so that we can get calls from the land line, but use VoIP if we make a call out on the same phone?

mohoelx · Post by **mohoelx** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:24 am

You could use a splitter backwards and have both lines service the same phone for inbound, but I have NO IDEA how an outbound call would work - when you pick up the handset, would you get dial tone from both services?

joe123 · Post by **joe123** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:53 am

Found one that will work

http://www.amazon.com/AT-T-2-Line-Switc ... B00000J0MF

MadDogMike · Post by **MadDogMike** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:28 pm

Damn, I just bought magicJack yesterday, did the 100k resister fix, all is well, and now I found the thread this device! I'm using an old laptop for my magicJack, but it would be nice to avoid that altogether. So, what's the consensus on netTALK vs. magicJack? There's nowhere one can buy netTALK from a retailer, is there? Would be nice to try it out and return it locally, if needed.

Having just bought MJ, I can either (A) order netTALK and, if I like it, return MJ to the retailer within 30 days, or (B) use my MJ for a year and keep an eye on netTALK to see how they're doing (still business, troubles?) when it's time to renew.

UPdownLoAD wrote:We kept talking, and she said I garbled a bit like Max Headroom (go Google him, youngins). It was consistently random, happening about every 30 seconds or so.

Any update on this? I'm not sure what "consistently random" means.

If it garbles consistently, that's a deal-killer. I want to use it for business, so it has to be good.

newtoncd · Post by **newtoncd** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:57 pm

MadDogMike wrote:Damn, I just bought magicJack yesterday, did the 100k resister fix, all is well, and now I found the thread this device! I'm using an old laptop for my magicJack, but it would be nice to avoid that altogether. So, what's the consensus on netTALK vs. magicJack? There's nowhere one can buy netTALK from a retailer, is there? Would be nice to try it out and return it locally, if needed.

Having just bought MJ, I can either (A) order netTALK and, if I like it, return MJ to the retailer within 30 days, or (B) use my MJ for a year and keep an eye on netTALK to see how they're doing (still business, troubles?) when it's time to renew.

UPdownLoAD wrote:We kept talking, and she said I garbled a bit like Max Headroom (go Google him, youngins). It was consistently random, happening about every 30 seconds or so.
Any update on this? I'm not sure what "consistently random" means.
If it garbles consistently, that's a deal-killer. I want to use it for business, so it has to be good.

The nettalk service has experienced two major issues 1) garble and 2) the tk6000 device staying alive. I think they have fixed #2, but #1 still needs a fair amount of work. I had a trial for about 60 days (they extended it for me) but I finally returned it due to the garble issue. They are still working on a fix and when they do, I think the service has a lot of potential. I will say, their customer support is excellent.

stav · Post by **stav** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:58 pm

you can use it with an ATA like PAP2T/MJMD5 or with a thin client like HP TC51xx. Go though the threads on each one, there is a wealth of info. good luck ...
BTW, my both MJ work just fine with PAP2T/MJMD5, as fine as are my $$$ in my pocket instead in ATT's deep pockets.

ajeck · Post by **ajeck** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:00 am

Darkman90808 wrote:
This thing does not have call forwarding.
That's a deal breaker, for me. (see how spoiled we are!) I think if you look at the feature set, they lack a few other things, as well. For instance, I didn't see Call Waiting or Caller ID on their web page. And, if MJ hadn't gotten rid of the most important feature of all - DND, Brand X couldn't hold a candle to them. Okay, just kidding.

Seriously, I think the larger issue is whether the tk6000 will be around for the duration or they're a flash-in-the-pan. In any case, I'm happy with my little bundle of joy. If the TK6000 turns out to be a better mouse trap, great! After all, competition is the American way.

Looks like they do now?

[edit] I just noticed that this is my first post here. I've been lurking here for about a week comparing options between the DD-wrt mjproxy and TC options for MagicJack. In my search I actually found the TK6000 which intrigued me. I bought both the MJ and TK6000 to compare the options and will choose one after the 30 day period.

MadDogMike · Post by **MadDogMike** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:45 am

ajeck wrote:
Darkman90808 wrote:
This thing does not have call forwarding.
I bought both the MJ and TK6000 to compare the options and will choose one after the 30 day period.
Great, keep us posted!

ajeck · Post by **ajeck** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:28 am

newtoncd wrote:
MadDogMike wrote:Damn, I just bought magicJack yesterday, did the 100k resister fix, all is well, and now I found the thread this device! I'm using an old laptop for my magicJack, but it would be nice to avoid that altogether. So, what's the consensus on netTALK vs. magicJack? There's nowhere one can buy netTALK from a retailer, is there? Would be nice to try it out and return it locally, if needed.

Having just bought MJ, I can either (A) order netTALK and, if I like it, return MJ to the retailer within 30 days, or (B) use my MJ for a year and keep an eye on netTALK to see how they're doing (still business, troubles?) when it's time to renew.

UPdownLoAD wrote:We kept talking, and she said I garbled a bit like Max Headroom (go Google him, youngins). It was consistently random, happening about every 30 seconds or so.
Any update on this? I'm not sure what "consistently random" means.
If it garbles consistently, that's a deal-killer. I want to use it for business, so it has to be good.

The nettalk service has experienced two major issues 1) garble and 2) the tk6000 device staying alive. I think they have fixed #2, but #1 still needs a fair amount of work. I had a trial for about 60 days (they extended it for me) but I finally returned it due to the garble issue. They are still working on a fix and when they do, I think the service has a lot of potential. I will say, their customer support is excellent.

I think you actually reversed the issues. It seems the garble has been fixed but the keep alive is still a problem. As mine has yet to actually arrive in the mail i can't personally confirm this.

If anyone cares here is the link where NT claims the garble has been fixed.

MadDogMike · Post by **MadDogMike** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:17 am

I'm considering trying NetTalk, if can send faxes reliably. I successfully sent a few test pages with MJ before I fired the phone company, but now I realize it's not reliable enough for large multi-page documents. Has anyone had success faxing large, multi-page documents with the tk6000? (I mean with a conventional fax machine, not PC fax.)

MyOwnMJ · Post by **MyOwnMJ** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:32 pm

Been reading about Nettalk vs Magicjack.

Has anyone tried using Nettalk's TK6000 while plugged into a USB port (as opposed to directly plugged into the router)? How was the call quality? Did it work while on a wireless connection (such as a wireless laptop)?

thx

Nobody beats the Whiz! · Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:26 pm

MyOwnMJ wrote:Been reading about Nettalk vs Magicjack.

Has anyone tried using Nettalk's TK6000 while plugged into a USB port (as opposed to directly plugged into the router)? How was the call quality? Did it work while on a wireless connection (such as a wireless laptop)?

thx

I posed your question over at the NetTalk forum. Here's the link:

http://forum.nettalk.com/viewtopic.php? ... 3401#p3401

MyOwnMJ · Post by **MyOwnMJ** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:18 pm

Thanks. I appreciate your help. I'm leaning towards getting a TK6000 of my own as a possible replacement to MJ.

macman4hire · Post by **macman4hire** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:41 am

I have 2 netTalk TK6000 and 2 magicJacks. The advantage of having the TK6000 device run without a computer makes it superior to magicJack in my opinion. The fact that TK6000 can be connected to a computers USB to make use of its network connections makes it versatile device for the traveler.

The call quality and reliability of the TK6000 have been excellent for me so far. The TK6000 did have a garble issue at one time but that has apparently been fixed. To be fair magicJack had the beeping problem for several months before it was ever corrected.

I find it funny that magicJack users question whether netTalk will be around in a year when magicJack is only a couple of years old itself. Both of these companies could be gone tomorrow!

The cost of ownership seems about equal for the first year if you ad the cost of additional hardware such as low power consumption Thin Client or add the additional cost of running a computer 24/7.

If netTalk becomes successful as company and honors its lifetime service commitment to the early adopters, then early TK6000 users will clearly come out ahead in cost savings over five year period when compared to magicJack users.

crackerjack · Post by **crackerjack** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:59 am

Not to mention the comforting feeling of being able to talk to a live support person and being able to address issues on a company-owned discussion forum..

Do not discount the relative ease of gettingTK6000 sip credentials to use on other devices.

Too bad their business model is unsustainable and they probably won't survive their infancy...

Crackerjack

Darkman90808 · Post by **Darkman90808** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:08 pm

I find it funny that magicJack users question whether netTalk will be around in a year when magicJack is only a couple of years old itself. Both of these companies could be gone tomorrow!

I think part of it is perception. MJ seems to be spending a boatload of money on advertising, while I've seen nary a word about the tk6000, with the exception of this forum. With that being said, I still only re-up my MJ on an annual basis. Some days I love my little bundle of joy; other days I'm ready to place it squarely under the wheels of my truck.

I have to agree with Crackerjack about the sustainability of the tk6000 business model. Also, I would like to mention, somewhat defensively, that when I posted about some of the features lacking in the tk6000, such as Call Forwarding, they were not being promoted on their site. I believe they were added later. I only mention this because I checked their site before posting.

While I'm hoping for the best for both companies, I'm not optimistic about either, although that could just be my foul mood this morning from all the rain.

MadDogMike · Post by **MadDogMike** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:05 pm

I ordered a tk6000 the other night. I hope it gets here fast, because the wife is bitching about MJ's inability to reliably send faxes. Their email said 2-3 weeks. I did pay the whole cost up front (instead of "4 easy payments" of $24.95) which is supposed to expedite the order. Can anybody who has ordered one recently tell me how fast they received it?

thanks,
Mike

macman4hire · Post by **macman4hire** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:58 pm

netTalk's Annual Report. http://biz.yahoo.com/e/091214/ntlk.ob10-k.html

Nobody beats the Whiz! · Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:16 pm

Darkman90808 wrote: I think part of it is perception. MJ seems to be spending a boatload of money on advertising, while I've seen nary a word about the tk6000, with the exception of this forum. With that being said, I still only re-up my MJ on an annual basis. Some days I love my little bundle of joy; other days I'm ready to place it squarely under the wheels of my truck.

I have to agree with Crackerjack about the sustainability of the tk6000 business model. Also, I would like to mention, somewhat defensively, that when I posted about some of the features lacking in the tk6000, such as Call Forwarding, they were not being promoted on their site. I believe they were added later. I only mention this because I checked their site before posting.

While I'm hoping for the best for both companies, I'm not optimistic about either, although that could just be my foul mood this morning from all the rain.

AFAIK forwarding has been advertised since I started following the TK6000, back in late October. I don't think it's a big deal that you made a mistake about it. I don't remember the timeframe of that thread, so maybe at the time you posted, they weren't advertising the forwarding. Either way, it's not a big deal. I don't think there is any reason for a MJ vs TK rivalry. One may suit a person better than the other, with valid reasons. Price, features, reliability, voice quality, and corporate viability are all factors that must be taken into account by anyone choosing between these two devices.

Or they could hedge their bets, like me, and get them all. So far, I like all three of my VOIP services (Ooma included). Which will be standing in 5 years? I hope at least one!

sabresfan · Post by **sabresfan** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:33 pm

Out of all three which do you like best? I'm considering trying another voip service just for fun. Ooma seems to be the one with the most features but also the highest price tag. Nettalk has a great price point and if one gets in now they get the lifetime package if I'm correct. Which has the best sounding calls and reliability in your opinion?

Nobody beats the Whiz! · Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:43 pm

sabresfan wrote:Out of all three which do you like best? I'm considering trying another voip service just for fun. Ooma seems to be the one with the most features but also the highest price tag. Nettalk has a great price point and if one gets in now they get the lifetime package if I'm correct. Which has the best sounding calls and reliability in your opinion?

That's a tough question to answer.

I like MJ, because:

-It has NEVER failed me. Not a single problem ever.
-It's cheap.
-It's small.
-I'm hooked on the address book.

I like the TK6000, because:

-It's small.
-It's versatile; connect to router, connect through USB. I don't have to leave the computer on when installed at home. I can also take it on trips and use it over wifi (connected through USB on a laptop).
-It's made/assembled in USA.
-SIP credentials are readily available (Thanks to a tip from a knowledgeable member of this forum). Haven't used them yet, but it's nice to know I don't have to play cat and mouse a la MJ.
-It's relatively cheap.

I like Ooma. because:

-It's solid. I've had no problems at all.
-Needs no computer (but isn't small enough to be portable, and can't be connected via wifi).
-Has a large installed user base.
-Voicemail works like an answering machine. Indicator shows waiting messages on the box. Push play, next, delete, and listen, just like on an answering machine. Or, listen to them online.

If you buy Ooma, you must know that the newest hardware, called the Telo, incurs an annual fee of $12.00 for "regulatory recovery." The old hardware called the Hub or Core (when bundled with the remote Scout) is grandfathered, and does not incur that annual fee. I have the Core.

Additionally, some "basic" features such as DND, vmail to email, 3WC, forwarding, and multi-ring, are only available if you subscribe to the Premier package for $120.00 per year. If you pay for the first year in lump sum, they'll give a choice of a free number porting ($40.00 value), or a free Telo Handset ($50.00 value, only if you own a Telo).

While I'm a cheapskate, and will never pay for Premier, I see that there are many who do, and it's a good thing for long term viability. If you really decide you want to try an Ooma, I have discount codes for the Telo, only.

So, I really like my TK and MJ, and call it a tie for first place. If one had to die, I'd prefer to keep my versatile TK. However, I would miss my cheap and trusty MJ.

I'd put Ooma in a lower class, mostly due to size, lack of wifi, and premium feature requirement.

sabresfan · Post by **sabresfan** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:04 pm

Thats some great info thanks. I agree with you that having the ability to take your device with you is a great feature. I'm gonna keep reading the other forums and see in about a month where I end up. I also like MJ it's been mostly reliable and have to say for the price you can't beat it. I'm intrigued with Ooma because they seem to look towards the future as far as their features are concerned. Thanks

bfksc · Post by **bfksc** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:58 am

sabresfan wrote:Thats some great info thanks. I agree with you that having the ability to take your device with you is a great feature. I'm gonna keep reading the other forums and see in about a month where I end up. I also like MJ it's been mostly reliable and have to say for the price you can't beat it. I'm intrigued with Ooma because they seem to look towards the future as far as their features are concerned. Thanks

I wish my MJ device was reliable and worked properly, but it doesn't work as it should. I think it's defective. So I put my SIP info into an ATA and it works a lot better, but it still has less than average audio quality. I changed servers several times and I found that some of the MJ servers are overloaded at certain times.

So after mucking about for several months, I signed up with a regular VoIP provider and the sound quality is much improved. No echo, good audio quality (cell phone or better most of the time), faster dialing, much lower latency which means no delay during conversations, and of course a local phone number instead of a US number, etc.

I've decided that I won't be renewing my MJ account. I will stick with "real" VoIP service from now on which is still about $480 savings over using a Bell phone line. I also have a cell phone for backup in emergencies, although I have a UPS to keep the modem/router/ATA running if the power goes out.

Too bad MJ didn't work better for me...I liked the idea.

sabresfan · Post by **sabresfan** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:43 am

I can understand your frustrations with MJ (wife dislikes it). MJ has been a great investment for me over the last year as work has been as slow as it's been. I keep our Verizon cell phones as our primary phones but like having MJ's number to give out to people I don't want calling our cell phones. With the introduction of the xlite plugin I have found the call quality of Sipgate and Callcentric to be far superior to MJ's. This is what's making me consider a different provider for my home phone. The latest upgrade from MJ has only added to my interest of looking into another voip alternative to MJ.

Yura80 · Post by **Yura80** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:14 pm

Here are the SIP credentials for TK6000:

Proxy: sip1.tktelco.net:5060
User Id: your 10-digit SIP ID (account info -> card number)
Password: your nettalk account password
Preferred Codec: G711u

Use this dial plan to enable 10 digit dialling:
(*xx|[3469]11|0|00|<:1>[2-9]xxxxxxxxx|1xxx[2-9]xxxxxxS0|xxxxxxxxxxxx.)

MST · Post by **MST** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:31 pm

How about NETTALK DUO? Slightly different account info witout that 10 digit number.

Any advice?

propizza · Post by **propizza** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:38 pm

^ I would like to know as well if you find out something

adam3914 · Post by **adam3914** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:56 pm

Yura80 wrote:Here are the SIP credentials for TK6000:

Proxy: sip1.tktelco.net:5060
User Id: your 10-digit SIP ID (account info -> card number)
Password: your nettalk account password
Preferred Codec: G711u

Use this dial plan to enable 10 digit dialling:
(*xx|[3469]11|0|00|<:1>[2-9]xxxxxxxxx|1xxx[2-9]xxxxxxS0|xxxxxxxxxxxx.)

the user id in on the nettalk web page, under account info->credit info->Customer Account ID. however the password is not your nettalk account password when using the duo. I don't know what it is, but account password does not work.

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Anyone hear of this MJ like ( BUT ATA) device?????

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