Internet sharring with neighbors

[kumar]

I was thinking of sharing my internet with my neighbors. I don't have to worry about the thing that some ISP haev that you can not share so here i go. My street is .3 miles. I have La Fontenna which will multiply my range 5x. I was wondering if anyone could help me on how many antenna's I will need.

Here is a pic that has my streets shape:

[testing123]

Two of these. Good for 10 miles

But seriously Kumar, be careful w/ this ... anyone does anything illegal, and it comes back to YOU.

If you REALLY are going to do it, look into making some money or something from it (as long as your ISP does not preclude this). Check out Fonera.

[kumar]

Yes, first, I am thinking of making a monthly $5 per month since internet here costs about $70 a month. I may not be making profit, but I will be helping out my neighbors save some money. I am considering using the "la fontenna" which well through the internet 5x farther...I was wondering how many of those I would need. As far as the illegal is concerned...im working on a plan to have that stuff logged. Any ideas? I also live in the sububs and know my neighbors pretty well. I live in a pretty wealthy neighborhood (all the other kids are spolied and their parents ride mercedes or BMW:D) so illegal stuff is not really a big deal.
Thanks
Kumar

[testing123]

Yes, first, I am thinking of making a monthly $5 per month since internet here costs about $70 a month. I may not be making profit, but I will be helping out my neighbors save some money. I am considering using the "la fontenna" which well through the internet 5x farther...I was wondering how many of those I would need. As far as the illegal is concerned...im working on a plan to have that stuff logged. Any ideas? I also live in the sububs and know my neighbors pretty well. I live in a pretty wealthy neighborhood (all the other kids are spolied and their parents ride mercedes or BMW:D) so illegal stuff is not really a big deal.
Thanks
Kumar

Man, you have a LOT to learn ... you cannot tell ANYTHING about ANYBODY based on how they look, where they live, or how much $$$ they make ... ever hear of someone named Br*tney Spe*rs? Don't forget about all those "Junior Gangsters" (younger than you) that will be war-driving by just to see if they can hack your network. LOL

For Logging, believe it or not you already have it -- check out some of the "Hot Spot" features of DD-WRT, maybe add a script or so (depending on RAM) if you REALLY need something fancy. Also, Google "syslog server" (if you are not familiar with it) and maybe that can be utilized as well.

I have to check on the fontenna you mentioned.

Be careful man; we want to see you graduate.

[kumar]

LOL, its not against my ISP, so no biggy. I just block them (mac address) if they are doing illegal stuff. It would be nice if there is a way to block limewire port....
Thanks
Kumar

[testing123]

LOL, its not against my ISP, so no biggy. I just block them (mac address) if they are doing illegal stuff. It would be nice if there is a way to block limewire port....
Thanks
Kumar

Ultimate Control is a "REAL" firewall -- example: pfsense (FREE/OpenSource)

You can setup on any old PC w/ multiple NICs and separate each network from the other (i.e., Wireless from WAN, from Internal LAN, etc. etc.)
Can also Load Balance between Multiple WANs!!
Couple it up w/ the Wireless Router and you are GOOD.

(Can also run on "embedded" (tiny) hardware to save electricity ... like soekris)

Works GREAT.

PS, if that is too complex for you, check out IPCop, again runs on any old PC that can no longer run Windoze
Has some killer addins that can help you do what you are trying to do.

[kumar]

Ok, so I think i have gotten the main logging taken care of, but now all I would like to know is how many of those fontenna's i need.
Thanks
Kumar

[testing123]

Ok, so I think i have gotten the main logging taken care of, but now all I would like to know is how many of those fontenna's i need.
Thanks
Kumar

I hate to say this, but I think that you will have to experiment ... plain and simple.

That is a directional Antenna -- I can't tell from the specs what distance you will get in your environment ... maybe someone else here can.

You could always replace the antenna with some of the better antennas that you see on eBay -- I have heard of tremendous signal boost from some <$10 external antennas, but I would have to dig to find the specific ones.

[laserjobs]

Are you trying to service the street or one address?

[testing123]

Yeah, I was just thinking about this ... why do you need more than two antennas (one on each end)?

If you are the "Provider" doesn't each of your "Users" need a WIFI Client? Unless one of them uses as AP as a "Repeater" for nearby neighbors? (You can do that w/ DD-WRT as well.)

How many separate locations you servicing along the way?

[laserjobs]

If you are trying to service one user at the end of street a directional anntenna should work.
http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html

If you are trying to service the whole street you will need repeaters placed along the lenght of the street. If you a lucky and the houses are not to far from the street, one of the above antennas might work.

[testing123]

If you are trying to service one user at the end of street a directional anntenna should work.
http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html

If you are trying to service the whole street you will need repeaters placed along the lenght of the street. If you a lucky and the houses are not to far from the street, one of the above antennas might work.

Nice link LJ, interesting.

[SpamBox]

Two of these. Good for 10 miles

Holy mother of God! That's insanely awesome!
I was expecting something totally different when I first clicked the link.
Makes me so tempted to give it a go!

After reading the instructions, it may or may not work for Kumar. Depending on things in the way. I've setup microwave comm systems before and this is a very very basic version of those. It's highly directional. So if there are houses or trees or anything in the way - forget about it...

[curiousgeorge]

http://linksysco.com/box.php has all the info you need I had this on my wrt54gl(with cantenna) and has a great forum for what you want to do or try http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page for detailed info ,and yes it can be done with the proper equipment and knowledge.Good luck but play nice.

[testing123]

Damn, you guys are a bunch of geeks.

[testing123]

Two of these. Good for 10 miles

Holy mother of God! That's insanely awesome!
I was expecting something totally different when I first clicked the link.
Makes me so tempted to give it a go!

After reading the instructions, it may or may not work for Kumar. Depending on things in the way. I've setup microwave comm systems before and this is a very very basic version of those. It's highly directional. So if there are houses or trees or anything in the way - forget about it...

Yes, I was joking and I wasn't -- it really is good for 10 miles, but like you said it is HIGHLY directional and old benevolent Kumar seems to want to play ISP for the entire L-shaped street. lol

PS spambox, exactly what WERE you expecting?

[SpamBox]

PS spambox, exactly what WERE you expecting?

Half expecting some sort of N-routers connected to some sort of external powered antennae or something. Thinking the 10 miles was just a joke.

[kumar]

If you are trying to service one user at the end of street a directional anntenna should work.
http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html

If you are trying to service the whole street you will need repeaters placed along the lenght of the street. If you a lucky and the houses are not to far from the street, one of the above antennas might work.

No i am trying more to do more then one user....
Kumar

[kumar]

http://linksysco.com/box.php has all the info you need I had this on my wrt54gl(with cantenna) and has a great forum for what you want to do or try http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page for detailed info ,and yes it can be done with the proper equipment and knowledge.Good luck but play nice.

I don't think that the can's will do the trick for this one....
kumar

[kumar]

Ok, so I think i have gotten the main logging taken care of, but now all I would like to know is how many of those fontenna's i need.
Thanks
Kumar

I hate to say this, but I think that you will have to experiment ... plain and simple.

That is a directional Antenna -- I can't tell from the specs what distance you will get in your environment ... maybe someone else here can.

You could always replace the antenna with some of the better antennas that you see on eBay -- I have heard of tremendous signal boost from some <$10 external antennas, but I would have to dig to find the specific ones.

Link?
Thanks
Kumar...

Instead of making another post here it goes....I am hopping that i do not need to set up a bunch of repeaters.....do you think this can be done...i am kind of on the "L" (even though is a pretty curvy L:-D. Another thing is I am seeing people have a lot on DD-WRT....Thats what I will install on fon's and use them as a repeater and set them up at peoples houses.....only if its nessary....I am hopping it is not needed....But if I do need it I want to make it so i can control the router from my house. I think I will use remote management or something? When you use it in repeater does it come up as connected on my router?

[Vulture1340]

Yes, first, I am thinking of making a monthly $5 per month since internet here costs about $70 a month. I may not be making profit, but I will be helping out my neighbors save some money. I am considering using the "la fontenna" which well through the internet 5x farther...I was wondering how many of those I would need. As far as the illegal is concerned...im working on a plan to have that stuff logged. Any ideas? I also live in the sububs and know my neighbors pretty well. I live in a pretty wealthy neighborhood (all the other kids are spolied and their parents ride mercedes or BMW:D) so illegal stuff is not really a big deal.
Thanks
Kumar

If your neghibors are so wealthy, WHY do you have to help them save money???

[kumar]

I said I may not be making profit...not i will not be making profit Also by "I live in a pretty wealthy neighborhood" means that we don't get shot up on the block.....and finally the benz or BMW something called a Lease!! LOL...
Kumar

[curiousgeorge]

kumar, go to ebay and type in grid antenna, oh and get the ladder from the garage

[kumar]

Thats a tad bit expensive....but i do not think i need that big of an antenna...It would be nice if someone could give me an educated guess on how many antennas (7dBi) antenna's and repeater's I will need with one 7 dBi antenna at the house....
Thanks
Kumar

[HolmanGT]

kumar,

What kind of bandwidth do you have? It will take a fiber link to your place to be able to service several houses.

Also Check out the price of the low loss cable, stubs and the the special connector to mate to the different pieces of equipment. I think you may be shocked at how much that stuff costs. i.e. 100' of 9913 is going to cost you about $100 dollars some of the connectors are from $15 to $30 dollars each.

Anyway good luck.

[kumar]

Yes I will be running Fiber internet....15 down 15 up...should be good enough...also I don't get what u said in the second part...please explain
Thanks
Kumar

[HolmanGT]

Kumar,

The first part, 15/15 all I can say is I am jealous. The second part is just saying that it can be more expensive to set something like that up than you might expect.

[kumar]

hehe...yes,....do u think i would be fine with 15/2 or 5/2? its a little cheaper....but i think start up costs won't be that bad....as long as i just am gonna use the fon as repeaters....but no one has answered my question yet!! how many of these repeaters do i need? OR will the fontenna at my house be could enough to get the street
THanks
Kumar

[curiousgeorge]

hello kumar, I think maybe I am not getting this correct you want to share internet with your block correct?

if I am correct you simply need a really good router(capable of handling multiple connections) wich would probably be the wrt54gl with dd-wrt aprox. $75.00 + the optional 7dbi double antenna kit wich would be the cheapest with out spending hundreds of dollars on a pro. unit,ok now any one who wants to share your internet depending how far will need a directional antenna(cantenna) pointing directly to your house or a regular wi-fi antenna if they are really close and thats it. plus you have the option to block mac address for people who are not paying you to share your connection a cantenna is much cheaper than a repeater or any other device you want to buy.ok now if there are trees or walls or maybe homes blocking the clear line of sight to your router,then you might need a repeater of some kind,but this is a cheapest way and since there is always noise in the air from 2.4ghz cordless phones( almost in every house) and other radio noise this method will not be very reliable sometimes it will work good and sometimes it will work bad I had one of those grid antennas you found on ebay and it was a big one ,I also had a cantenna that would get internet signal from aprox.1-2 blocks away,well its very hard to get great results with out spending a lot of cash and make sure you read the forums on the links I gave you plenty of information to help you understand how wi-fi networking works.

[kumar]

Ok, I will look into the cantenna....but you think that one 7dbi antenna on my window will do? Anyone else with the same thing?
Thanks for your input
Kumar

PS comcast here gets 17 megs down and 2 up...do u thnk thats enough?

[curiousgeorge]

well, it all depends on how you want to use it if you use a 7dbi antenna the benefit is that you will be able to get a 360 degree signal,but it will have to be mounted outside your home (weatherproof) and will maybe need a signal or antenna booster because it is limited by distance on the other hand if you want to share on one specific direction you might want to get a small to medium grid antenna as this type of antenna goes further but is limited by direction and it also comes down to the other person who wants to share that he/she also has the proper equipment to catch the signal that you are putting out of your router ,it is very fun but can be expensive to find the perfect setup

I almost forgot do a google search on home-made wi-fi antennas very cheap to make and they work! ebay will have all the connectors and cables you need depending on your router type, make sure the antenna on your router is detachable or you wont be able to do it.

[kumar]

Eh...not sure on spending money on a grid antenna....Don't wanna go out of business before i even start lol...
Peace
Kumar

[dbarber]

PS comcast here gets 17 megs down and 2 up...do u think thats enough?

That is probably the BOOST speed, not the constant speed. Check constant speed by downloading a LARGE file and either timing with stopwatch, or using bandwidth meter like DuMeter. Until you know your constant speed, you can't plan anything.


Donn

[testing123]

@kumar: this is pretty interesting: http://lifehacker.com/software/lifehack ... 306436.php

Check out #2 "Boost your signal with tinfoil"

[kumar]

Yep, I saw that. We are actuly planning to move soon so I don't know if i will do Or I might not LOL....Anyone pausing everything till summer...
Peace
Kumar

[bryce]

Last year, a friend of mine opened her front door to find two FBI agents. They were there to speak with her fifteen year old daughter, who had been found to be hacking web sites with software she downloaded from a gaming site. To further, the men in black, were looking for cooperation in the criminal prosecution of the software vendor.
Come to find out, the hacking software featured contests, where if one or a team of one's friends could hack into certain web sites, they could win prizes.
The plot thickens, a few days later, my friend found an envelope nailed to her front door, containing photos of her house, her business, her daughter's private school, her husband working on a tractor and, just to make things a little bit more personal, her mother's house.
Yes, I am a moron and provide free WIFI to my friend across the street. A Belkin's 'Wireless G MIMO Router'. He and his wife like to fire up the XBOX, their head phones and play war games with partners and opponents all over the country. Of course, now, too, they are going to order a MJ.
Plan to buy and assemble a AMD Athlon 64X2 6400+ Barebone System-AM 2 Dual Core and retire my Dell.
The retiree will be in charge of MJ, the Belkin's system and running PublicIP software, requiring log in and, keeping logs.
By the by, any recommendations on the system that I plan to build would be appreciated.

[kumar]

Last year, a friend of mine opened her front door to find two FBI agents. They were there to speak with her fifteen year old daughter, who had been found to be hacking web sites with software she downloaded from a gaming site. To further, the men in black, were looking for cooperation in the criminal prosecution of the software vendor.
Come to find out, the hacking software featured contests, where if one or a team of one's friends could hack into certain web sites, they could win prizes.
The plot thickens, a few days later, my friend found an envelope nailed to her front door, containing photos of her house, her business, her daughter's private school, her husband working on a tractor and, just to make things a little bit more personal, her mother's house.
Yes, I am a moron and provide free WIFI to my friend across the street. A Belkin's 'Wireless G MIMO Router'. He and his wife like to fire up the XBOX, their head phones and play war games with partners and opponents all over the country. Of course, now, too, they are going to order a MJ.
Plan to buy and assemble a AMD Athlon 64X2 6400+ Barebone System-AM 2 Dual Core and retire my Dell.
The retiree will be in charge of MJ, the Belkin's system and running PublicIP software, requiring log in and, keeping logs.
By the by, any recommendations on the system that I plan to build would be appreciated.

yea... I will have logging;-) Also I live in a area where there are all young kids so i am not realy worried about a 15 year old hacking. Yah shook up this thread after a month lol.
Peace
kUmar

[norml jack]

I love internet sharing. I share with several of my neighbors. My internet costs are zero, and I have several IP's and lots of bandwidth since everyone around here is on FIOS. I don't know what my neighbors are paying, they never told me. Actually they have never met me either! LOL.

[kumar]

Hahah im screwing the whole idea as the summer approaches. My plan is just to repeat my neighbors open wireless network eeven though i get good signal strenth as-is. Anyone know how to crack some WEP?
Thanks
Kumar

[testing123]

Kumar, don't know what you have done regarding you wifi sharing idea, but I read this and thought of you:

DD-WRT Tutorial 2: Extend Range with WDS
http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/ar ... hp/3628576

[testing123]

More long distance wifi links:

http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic. ... 056#157056

http://www.weijand.nl/wifi/