Don't Want To Run PC 24/7. Can A Router or Vonage Device...

bryce · Post by **bryce** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:45 pm

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Read about utilizing a thin-client, although, wondering if an existing router or the device sent to me by Vonage for phone service might be tweaked.
Would seem to me that at some time, MagicJack would create an appliance that would enable their service to perform like other VoIP companys. Possibly, one of you gurus might have the answer. Thanks for your interests.

sparkbox · Post by **sparkbox** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:04 pm

Do a search for ATA

LikeMagic · Post by **LikeMagic** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:18 pm

MagicJack said that they would offer BYOD (bring your own device) service in March 2008. So far, March has arrived and is almost gone and no news of BYOD from MagicJack. With BYOD, you could buy a VOIP ATA (analog telephone adaptor) similar to this one:

You connect the ATA device to your router (as you would a PC) and connect an analog telephone to it. You then set it up with your VOIP login credentials and you would have VOIP service without a PC.

MagicJack VOIP service uses standard SIP (session initiated protocol, a method to do voice call setup over the internet) so technically, you could buy an ATA now and have it work with MagicJack VOIP service provided that you know your MagicJack login credentials. Your MagicJack login credentials are stored (encrypted) on your MagicJack's flash memory which MagicJack softphone uses to authenticate with MagicJack server when making calls. Even if you manage to find out your MagicJack login credentials to be used with an ATA device, be warned that MagicJack could find out (that you use an ATA device) and terminate your MagicJack account for violating their TOS (Terms of Service). I would wait for the BYOD plan from MagicJack. It would cost extra, MagicJack didn't announce any cost figure yet.

MagicJack & ATA has been discussed here.

bryce · Post by **bryce** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:33 pm

Gosh, never expected to get a reply as quick, nor one, that appears to have been written by a head liner editorialist.

Really appreciate the heads-up. Will do as you recommended. Bryce

strndedinalska · Post by **strndedinalska** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:43 am

OK. You've screwed up because the non-techie is here now. What kind of device do we need and can I get one that's affordable and idiot proof?

bryce · Post by **bryce** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:30 am

Noted that the back of my router had a number of ethernet slots. Wondering what would happen if I hooked up a USB NIC (just a cord with a ethernet jack on one end and a USB jack on the other) from my router to MJ.

Do realize that there would no longer be a 'soft phone' popup window that would appear on my monitor when I use the phone.

Don't care, just don't want to run my PC 24/7.

leons · Post by **leons** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:22 pm

It won't work....needs the PC to run the softphone!

bryce · Post by **bryce** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:04 pm

Well, ride on, ride on with overdrawn. Thanks.

NelsonDonnell · Post by **NelsonDonnell** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:14 pm

Contrary to what some people believe, magicJack does install software onto the host machine that it is plugged into.

Just navigate to your primary partition C:\Document and Settings\John Doe.WHATEVER\ Applications Data\mjusbp file folder and you'll most likely see what magiJack uses in conjunction with its service.

bryce · Post by **bryce** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:20 pm

Will look into this tonight.

bryce · Post by **bryce** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:37 pm

Utillzied the 'search' on my PC relating to any MJ file. Once done, it appears that all related to MJ are 'PF' files.
Understand that one requires a password to unencrypt and decompress 'PF' files.
Where is the Norton Commander when you need one?
Thinking about firing up an old PC to run MJ. Won't it feel special.

semky · Post by **semky** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:42 am

An old pc probably does not run XP would probably have usb- 1.0 ports and you would wonder why it does not work.

Bendle · Post by **Bendle** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:00 pm

semky wrote:An old pc probably does not run XP would probably have usb- 1.0 ports and you would wonder why it does not work.

OLD is a relative term.

XP is old - it launched Oct 25th 2001
USB 2.0 is old - the spec was approved April 2000 and Intel released chipsets in May 2002.

kumar · Post by **kumar** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:49 pm

The SPA-2102 sunrocket ones you can get cheap... or unlock the vonage adapter and somehow fogure out how to get the magicjack running on the ATA.
Peace
Kumar

NelsonDonnell · Post by **NelsonDonnell** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:49 pm

If you are looking at using a HP t5710 or t5720 Thin Client, make sure it is one that has a minimum of 512MB flash drive memory and at least 512MB of RAM, because the 256/256 models just barely make it and not too well at that. The only room you have on the flash disk drive of those units is about 35MB and by the time magicJack get through doing its thing with it upgrade and downloaded software, about only 2 or 3 megabytes are left, if that.

kumar · Post by **kumar** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:48 pm

NelsonDonnell wrote:If you are looking at using a HP t5710 or t5720 Thin Client, make sure it is one that has a minimum of 512MB flash drive memory and at least 512MB of RAM, because the 256/256 models just barely make it and not too well at that. The only room you have on the flash disk drive of those units is about 35MB and by the time magicJack get through doing its thing with it upgrade and downloaded software, about only 2 or 3 megabytes are left, if that.

Those are about $100 and pretty cheap to run. But, running a PC 24/7 would be cheaper then that... specially if you find the rate an addition to the time you normally use the computer. I see that a lot of people calculate running the PC 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Instead, average how much you usually use a computer and subtract that from 24. Then find the rate for it. You will get your $100 money worth out, but it will take a while. By then you will be allowed to use the vonage device (once unlocked).
Thats my 2 cents though.
Peace
Kumar

NelsonDonnell · Post by **NelsonDonnell** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:38 pm

Actually, I think it was a poor design of magicJack not to have an eprom circuit to accommodate downloading the software onto the module, instead of the host computer that it is running on.

Can you imagine someone like Vonage telling their customers that they'd have to accommodate a portion of their computer system hard-drive to store their proprietary software updates? I should think that magicJack would have learned from Skype's mistakes.

jwryahoo · Post by **jwryahoo** » Fri May 23, 2008 10:57 pm

Hi,

By then you will be allowed to use the vonage device (once unlocked).
Thats my 2 cents though.
Peace
Kumar

Does anyone know how to go about unlocking a vonage ATA?... links, help etc??

Blessings

jwr

stroths · Post by **stroths** » Fri May 23, 2008 11:17 pm

NelsonDonnell wrote:If you are looking at using a HP t5710 or t5720 Thin Client, make sure it is one that has a minimum of 512MB flash drive memory and at least 512MB of RAM, because the 256/256 models just barely make it and not too well at that. The only room you have on the flash disk drive of those units is about 35MB and by the time magicJack get through doing its thing with it upgrade and downloaded software, about only 2 or 3 megabytes are left, if that.

With the 256mb t5700s, you can get run it with about 30mb to spare following VaHam's instructions which are linked in my sig. The only problem comes up if you want to install other things like java or .net because you don't have the room to do it. The minimum I would suggest for the t5700s would be a 256/256 unit which you can get as cheap as $35 if you get lucky like I did on ebay with my first 2. Subsequent tries were not as cheap, but still much less than $100.

Stewart · Post by **Stewart** » Sat May 24, 2008 3:33 am

jwryahoo wrote:Does anyone know how to go about unlocking a vonage ATA?... links, help etc??

Seach this forum: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/voip .

jwryahoo · Post by **jwryahoo** » Sat May 24, 2008 1:35 pm

Hi Stewart,

Thank you. I'll check it out.

Blessings
jwr

kieranmullen · Post by **kieranmullen** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:14 pm

When it does come out get the 2 line grandstream. However the company has lousy support!
Something like the Linksys SPA units cost much more but you get a whole lot more. You can setup custom dial plans and multiple sip accounts for the same line.
So your international calls woudl go to voipbuster.com or smslisto.com (one of their many clones with different rates)

With the grandstream you can setup 1 sip account per line. Next unit I get will be a Linksys.

richardtaur · Post by **richardtaur** » Tue May 27, 2008 12:40 am

kieranmullen wrote:When it does come out get the 2 line grandstream. However the company has lousy support!
Something like the Linksys SPA units cost much more but you get a whole lot more. You can setup custom dial plans and multiple sip accounts for the same line.
So your international calls woudl go to voipbuster.com or smslisto.com (one of their many clones with different rates)

With the grandstream you can setup 1 sip account per line. Next unit I get will be a Linksys.

Well, I use HT286, HT386 so far, and I am going to try HT503.
I think grandstream is an OK product. If you need an advanced dial plan. I will sugest you to go to mysipswitch.com. There is one of my post that I got a really good dial plan to work with either 1 or 2 FXS on the ATA.
The cool thing for HT503 is that there is a future called Hop-on/Hop-off calling wich alows you to do the remote calling switch betwwen FXS and FXO port.

teddy_b · Post by **teddy_b** » Tue May 27, 2008 3:23 pm

kieranmullen wrote:Something like the Linksys SPA units cost much more but you get a whole lot more. You can setup custom dial plans and multiple sip accounts for the same line.

Really? Does SPA2102 support multiple accounts per line?

What I actually want to do is to setup a single line to accept calls from 2 different SIP accounts, but only need to use one SIP account to make outgoing calls. If SPA2102 is not capable of doing that, can you recommend an ATA which is?

Thanks!

emoci · Post by **emoci** » Thu May 29, 2008 11:21 am

teddy_b wrote:
kieranmullen wrote:Something like the Linksys SPA units cost much more but you get a whole lot more. You can setup custom dial plans and multiple sip accounts for the same line.
Really? Does SPA2102 support multiple accounts per line?

What I actually want to do is to setup a single line to accept calls from 2 different SIP accounts, but only need to use one SIP account to make outgoing calls. If SPA2102 is not capable of doing that, can you recommend an ATA which is?

Thanks!

You probably want to look at a serice like VoXalot or PBXes, or even MySipSwitch...
All those would let you receive calls from multiple destinations on the same line...

The plus is that they are all hosted services that will work with just about any device

dodools · Post by **dodools** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:36 pm

your right the standard t5710 leaves only about 2 to 3 minibits after MJ takes it lot. you may want to consider downsizing your RAM to let's say 5 minibits through your HP RAM manager. After the re-boot I noticed my open cache increased from 3 to 14.5 minibits. For those of you who will say viva not to the longivity of my ATA cache 256 mb drive, I don't care. I only bought the thing for MJ. Since MJ is still relatively a small foot print in terms of space the MTBF of the Thin Client which is legacy already will probably reach it's end of the bathtub curve anyway(for those logistician/ET's out there).

HolmanGT · Post by **HolmanGT** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:52 pm

dodools wrote:your right the standard t5710 leaves only about 2 to 3 minibits after MJ takes it lot. you may want to consider downsizing your RAM to let's say 5 minibits through your HP RAM manager. After the re-boot I noticed my open cache increased from 3 to 14.5 minibits. For those of you who will say viva not to the longivity of my ATA cache 256 mb drive, I don't care. I only bought the thing for MJ. Since MJ is still relatively a small foot print in terms of space the MTBF of the Thin Client which is legacy already will probably reach it's end of the bathtub curve anyway(for those logistician/ET's out there).

dodools,

Would you mind putting that in English. I have know idea what you are trying to say.

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Don't Want To Run PC 24/7. Can A Router or Vonage Device...

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