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Post by Nobody beats the Whiz! »

johnlvs2run wrote:
bitstopjoe wrote:Hey Wiz, will the duo work on a combo DSL Modem/Router?? I am using a Gigaset SE567 from Frontier.. I didnt see any mention of it on the Net Talk forum...
I sure hope so, since that's the kind that I have. :o
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I'm thinking of getting a 2nd Duo, for a 2nd line and number.
I was considering to get a thin client tonight for the MJ, but the Duo is less expensive overall.

How is the comparison with reliability and voice quality?
Is there any reason to have one of each, vs two of the same?
That's a tough one to answer. The MJ network is more mature, but since they have let some servers stay beyond max capacity, it seems to mean they care less.

The NT network is still prone to increasingly less frequent problems, and has drastically improved over recent months. They seem much more eager to please the customer.

I would rather have 2 Duos than 2 MJ's, but having one of each could make sense. If one provider is having an outage, then they other is available.

If you don't have a cell as backup, then it may be smarter to have one of each. However, if you have a cell (even a prepaid one, like me), then I would suggest getting the second Duo.

When both are functioning properly, the voice quality is the same.
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Post by Nobody beats the Whiz! »

bitstopjoe wrote:
Nobody beats the Whiz! wrote:
bitstopjoe wrote:Hey Wiz, will the duo work on a combo DSL Modem/Router?? I am using a Gigaset SE567 from Frontier.. I didnt see any mention of it on the Net Talk forum..

Thank you...
bitstopjoe,

Sorry, I don't recall hearing anything about that make at the forum, either. However, I do remember others with combo router/modems reporting success with their NT devices (at the time, the TK6000).

30 days free trial will hopefully give you the chance to try it out, though it's always a bit of a hassle dealing with mail-in returns.

I hope this means you're taking advantage of the code before it expires. ;-) I still haven't been allowed to order any more by the wife, but I think I'll sneak one in before the deadline. Heh heh.
Trust me I have been thinking about it, but sadly I can't justify one ( the practical and logical part of my brain, damn it) in my current situation with no lack of wanting one though.
BUT like I did before buying my MJ 2 + years ago I read the forums to learn, absorb and research. By the way, why the heck doesnt the NT forum keep one logged in??? Have to log in every time I vist the site..
Since they rasied my elec rates by over 33% I now turn off my PC during the day, I only used to turn it off at night. So now I lose the ability to make calls when it is off. The NT would have come in handy during those times. In fact I would have just had my MJ forward calls to the NT and left it that way.
Part of me hopes the 50% discount does not get renewed so it gets rid of the temptation of buying one.. Oh well, tis life...........
Yes, we have to log-in each visit to the forum, now. That started a couple months ago, if I recall correctly. Another forum member's theory is that too many people were staying logged-in for the server, but I don't know what the deal is. Maybe I'll post another gripe about that, over there.

I understand and sympathize with your desire to fight off temptation. I thought I was in the clear when the last code expired, then this new one showed up.

Good luck fighting it off. ;)
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-One shot TK6000
-One shot NetTalk Duo
-Two shots Ooma (it's bigger)

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Post by bitstopjoe »

Nobody beats the Whiz! wrote:Good luck fighting it off. ;)
I keep repeating I WANT one, but I do not need one... (unless of course MJ starts blocking the numbers I call, of course then that code WILL have expired...............

I bet the repeat the discount for Christmas.... rats.................. :)

Sure hope the fix the staying logged on problem in the NT forum. A tad annoying...
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Post by johnlvs2run »

Nobody beats the Whiz! wrote:That's a tough one to answer. The MJ network is more mature, but since they have let some servers stay beyond max capacity, it seems to mean they care less.

The NT network is still prone to increasingly less frequent problems, and has drastically improved over recent months. They seem much more eager to please the customer.

I would rather have 2 Duos than 2 MJ's, but having one of each could make sense. If one provider is having an outage, then they other is available.

If you don't have a cell as backup, then it may be smarter to have one of each. However, if you have a cell (even a prepaid one, like me), then I would suggest getting the second Duo.

When both are functioning properly, the voice quality is the same.
Thank you for the helpful answer. Do you happen to know if having 2 duos plugged into the modem would affect computer functioning?
bitstopjoe wrote: Since they rasied my elec rates by over 33% I now turn off my PC during the day
I always turn the modem off at night and plan to keep doing this, and the computer off any time it's not being used.
My electricity bill has come down to less than 1/4 what it was, with plenty of adjustments and diligence, though I've seen no loss of comfort or convenience.
The last bill was $5.67.
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Post by Nobody beats the Whiz! »

johnlvs2run wrote:
Thank you for the helpful answer. Do you happen to know if having 2 duos plugged into the modem would affect computer functioning?
You can have multiple Duo's plugged into your router without any hit to your computer performance. VOIP bandwidth is minimal compared to almost anything else you do on the computer requiring internet bandwidth.
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-One shot TK6000
-One shot NetTalk Duo
-Two shots Ooma (it's bigger)

Shaken, not stirred.

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Post by johnlvs2run »

Nobody beats the Whiz! wrote:
You can have multiple Duo's plugged into your router without any hit to your computer performance. VOIP bandwidth is minimal compared to almost anything else you do on the computer requiring internet bandwidth.
Awesome, thanks. :-)
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Post by adam3914 »

Anyone able to get the sip credentials for the nettalk duo. I have some friends in another country with an ata, and would like to get them using nettalk with out having to mail it to them.

so Far i have found this info from user Yura80

Proxy: sip1.tktelco.net:5060
User Id: your 10-digit SIP ID (account info -> credit info-> Customer Account ID)
Password: your nettalk account password
Preferred Codec: G711u

however the password is not my account password. I have used wire shark on the duo box so i know the other information is correct.
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Post by Spider210 »

Since mj is such a hassel, I decided to jump the bandwaggin and purchase one as a gift. At the 50% off price it was less then $45 shipped and don't need a computer running 24/7. Overall cost savings is totally worth it!!!!

Not sure about you guys but if they could port in numbers this would be a killer replacement on landlines and I would jump on it and buy a bunch of them :)
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Post by johnlvs2run »

Spider210 wrote:if they could port in numbers this would be a killer replacement on landlines and I would jump on it and buy a bunch of them :)
I'm looking at the change of number as a great opportunity.
By far most of the calls I get are very annoying commercial and political advertisements.

A friend asked me last night why I ordered a second one. I said to have a second phone number.
But I don't really need a second phone number, except to have a local phone number in a different area.

What are other reasons to have more than one of them?
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Post by MattressTester »

I ordered a Duo last Wednesday. When I got the confirmation email it showed I purchased two (total came to $79.90). I called NT customer service and was told to call back 24 hours later as my order didn't appear on their screens yet. Called the next day, got a very nice rep who was able to correct the quantity and said I would see a credit for the difference in 7-10 days. I'll follow up to insure the credit is actually issued.

After my horror story getting a defective MJ replaced, to contrast, dealing with NT customer service has been unbelievably good. Got to talk with a real live humans, hold time was a minute or two, they understood my question and solved the problem (so far).

I'm hopeful the Duo will be better than my MJ. I've spent countless hours trying to get MJ to work consistently and up till now was too stubborn to admit - their network is just crap. I'm on the Atlanta server. We have a 50% success rate with incoming calls - usually the issue is the audio is so distored I can't understand a word. I just tell the caller to hang up and call back. Most of the time, if they can hear me, the second call is at least understandable but the quality varies from very good to awful.

Outgoing calls are no better. My wife calls her elderly Mom every night just to check up on her. They are both fed up with the inconsistent quality. So now, a lot of cell phone minutes are being used. For awhile we tried the Skype/MJ deal with the plug in. They couldn't stick with that due to loud beeping during calls. After troubleshooting I decided to just forget the $10 + $3 spent on that little experiment.

My best guess is that most of MJ's problems are load related. We have fewer problems at off times. I'd also say MJ management really doesn't give a rats rear end. As long as they keep getting 200,000 customers to sign up each month, why should they care if 200,000 existing customers drop off. Less load on the system and the cash continues to flow in.

NetTalk is going to work. Dan says NetTalk is Shinola. I hope to prove him wrong.
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Post by propizza »

I have switched to NetTalk and I am happy so far. Had enough with magicjacks bs. I hope to be able to extract the credentials from my duo sometime, but it's not necessary.
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Post by johnlvs2run »

The 1st Duo was shipped in 2 days and 6 1/2 hours from the order.
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Post by angel-78 »

I have been using my Duo for a couple of weeks, I am pretty happy with it, but I think the call quality is better with MJ on an ata. Its interesting to see how many people are dumping their MJ service.
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Post by yazyazoo »

Anyone else receive theirs? I would like to see how the quality of the Nettalk is before ordering. I think today is the last day.

I am currently using MJ on a PC. It's fine but the ATA was louder and clearer.

Is the Nettalk better sounding than MJ on a PC?
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Post by lousk »

I decided to finally go ahead and place my purchase for the DUO, since today is the last day for the 50% offer.

The shocker was, after doing already a lot of research, I was not able to fill-in the address information entirely. There are fields for (State/Provice), (Post/Zip Code) which applies to Canada and US, which was a good thing, but (Country) in the dropbox was only showing (United States), which didn't make any sense.

Was anyone with Canadian address able to process the on-line transaction successfully? I know I can call it in, but according the the TOS, the offer code would be invalidated. In that case it's a no-go for me.
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Post by JohnnyPhilko »

Well, my MJ service expires at the end of the month and since they did the revolving password thing I can't use my ATA. So, I ordered the Duo today and got the 50% off deal. I hope it works well.

I would be interested if anyone figures out how to get the credentials out of it too.

Peace,
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Post by randyored »

yazyazoo wrote:Anyone else receive theirs? I would like to see how the quality of the Nettalk is before ordering. I think today is the last day.

I am currently using MJ on a PC. It's fine but the ATA was louder and clearer.

Is the Nettalk better sounding than MJ on a PC?
I have been using mine for about a week. Working perfect. Love it. As clear as my PAP2T. ATA would allows some dialing scheme changes, But it really isn't needed.

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Post by scotty562 »

No luck for me either. Just stuck at Auth sent.
adam3914 wrote:Anyone able to get the sip credentials for the nettalk duo. I have some friends in another country with an ata, and would like to get them using nettalk with out having to mail it to them.

so Far i have found this info from user Yura80

Proxy: sip1.tktelco.net:5060
User Id: your 10-digit SIP ID (account info -> credit info-> Customer Account ID)
Password: your nettalk account password
Preferred Codec: G711u

however the password is not my account password. I have used wire shark on the duo box so i know the other information is correct.
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Post by BrentOwen »

Looks like the sale is over. If you look at the web site at the add to cart, It says for Canadian customers to please call 1800 number. Too bad my MagicJack can not call 1 800 numbers :(
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Post by laserjobs »

I am a long time MJ user as well and now I am jumping ship to Nettalk. I just can't handle the magicJack quality of calls and inconsistency of pressing 1 with Google voice. Sad to see magicJack go to sh1t.
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Post by lousk »

Am I glad my purchase transaction didn't materialize for the DUO! I'll stick with my 2 working MJs, (+/- dongle)

Re: netTALK - Could someone enlighten me please… maybe used for future reference

Canadian residing in Canada, proceeding to checkout (2) DUO, while the offer code was still valid, please note the following:
"add to cart" leading eventually to “Billing Information” form, containing field headings and having particularly unique function like...

a. “State/Province: *” (Are there any Provinces in the USA, in existence? We do have Provinces in Canada)
b. “Post/Zip Code: *” (“Post”al Code applies to Canada. Unless in US language denoting the term “Post” for P.O. Box is considered valid? Regardless, in Canada, we use P.O. box also)
c. “Country: [United States]” which includes pull-down menu, offering a single choice, “United States” to SELECT from, (well, for this one, I’ll let you draw your own judgment)

Above was the case then. It still is even after adding the disclaimer “Canadian customers please call 1-800-983-8289”, shortly after requesting support in regards my inability to entirely complete its Checkout billing process.

-Your take on that would be surely welcomed.
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Post by Nobody beats the Whiz! »

I understand why their U.S. focused ordering would be a disappointment. I don't understand why that would make you glad.

I think they are focused on U.S. sales simply because they are a U.S. company, and they are not ready to offer Canadian DID's at a competetive price.

Marketing to Canada would bring expectations of local area codes.

I don't believe there is any anti-Canadian sentiment, because a customer is a customer = $$. I just don't think they're ready to target the Canadian market.

They have sold to Canadian customers, and as you said, they can handle Canadian orders over the phone. Hopefully, they'll be ready for Canadian prime time, soon.
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Post by RobbyG »

Guys, I have heard that they will be doing a 2 for 1 sale on Black Friday in case you missed this latest deal. I don't know if they will charge shipping on the second item though, but if you are planning on buying more than 1 you might want to check their site next Friday for this deal.
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Post by johnlvs2run »

The first Nettalk Duo came this morning, 7 days and 12 hours from my order.

The instructions were small print but clear, or download the PDF file from the site.

My signup went through smoothly. There were plenty of local area prefixes available.
I was surprised to see that every little town in the area had a number, quite a bit different
from when I signed up for MJ in 2007 and the closest prefix was Colorado.

The Duo booted green from the modem.
I called my home number, which rang, then called my Mom in TX.
The sound was more clear than it ever was with verizon, and she could hear me better too.
I am very impressed!

I plan to try this for a few weeks and then cancel the landline with verizon.
Their broadband was 14.99 for a year then they jacked it up to $24 two months ago
and said that was the best they could do, plus $30 for a phone line that I hardly use.

They will probably hassle me about the cost of a dryline and try to charge me at least $30 a month.
Let me know of any suggestions for getting a reasonable price.
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Post by Nugrl »

johnlvs2run wrote:The first Nettalk Duo came this morning, 7 days and 12 hours from my order.

The instructions were small print but clear, or download the PDF file from the site.

My signup went through smoothly. There were plenty of local area prefixes available.
I was surprised to see that every little town in the area had a number, quite a bit different
from when I signed up for MJ in 2007 and the closest prefix was Colorado.

The Duo booted green from the modem.
I called my home number, which rang, then called my Mom in TX.
The sound was more clear than it ever was with verizon, and she could hear me better too.
I am very impressed!

I plan to try this for a few weeks and then cancel the landline with verizon.
Their broadband was 14.99 for a year then they jacked it up to $24 two months ago
and said that was the best they could do, plus $30 for a phone line that I hardly use.

They will probably hassle me about the cost of a dryline and try to charge me at least $30 a month.
Let me know of any suggestions for getting a reasonable price.
If you don't mind me asking, what type of phone are you using with your NT Duo? make, model#? I too ordered an NT Duo and I am still waiting for it to be delivered. I am going to be in the market for a new phone to use with it. I am really leaning towards sabresfans suggestion of a V-tech, but was just wondering what you are using that is working so well for you.
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Post by johnlvs2run »

Nugrl wrote:If you don't mind me asking, what type of phone are you using with your NT Duo? make, model#? I too ordered an NT Duo and I am still waiting for it to be delivered. I am going to be in the market for a new phone to use with it. I am really leaning towards sabresfans suggestion of a V-tech, but was just wondering what you are using that is working so well for you.
Sure, ask anything you like.

It's a GE cord phone that I got from a garage sale a few years ago for $1.

It's like a princess phone, model 2-9224whb.

I'm going to plug the DUO into the 2nd house line that I closed off 3 years ago, tomorrow, so I'll be able to use it with any phone in the house.
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Post by Nugrl »

johnlvs2run wrote:
Nugrl wrote:If you don't mind me asking, what type of phone are you using with your NT Duo? make, model#? I too ordered an NT Duo and I am still waiting for it to be delivered. I am going to be in the market for a new phone to use with it. I am really leaning towards sabresfans suggestion of a V-tech, but was just wondering what you are using that is working so well for you.
Sure, ask anything you like.

It's a GE cord phone that I got from a garage sale a few years ago for $1.

It's like a princess phone, model 2-9224whb.

I'm going to plug the DUO into the 2nd house line that I closed off 3 years ago, tomorrow, so I'll be able to use it with any phone in the house.
thanks for the quick response. if you would also post back your results on hooking the nt duo into the whole house, I would be interested in knowing how that works for you.
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Post by johnlvs2run »

Nugrl wrote:if you would also post back your results on hooking the nt duo into the whole house, I would be interested in knowing how that works for you.
Nugrl, the closed line works great. I always used the MJ that way.
I'll post how the Duo works on it tomorrow.

Using the 2nd line is like this:
> make sure you have found the 2nd line wires in the box outside of the house;
> unscrew the 2nd line wires, tape the ends, and leave a note in the box that they're closed;
> plug a splitter into the phone jack in the Duo;
> plug your phone into one of the splitter plugs;
> run a phone line from the other splitter plug to the 2nd line outlet in the wall;

It's very important to close off the line at the box before doing anything else.
Otherwise the line voltage could fry the device.

That's it. Now your Duo system will work with any telephone on that line.
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I've only had my NetTalk Duo for two days. So far I'm impressed.

After activation on-line, setup took about 5 minutes. It connected and my phone rang (1 ring to confirm connection) in under a minute.

Compared to MJ, the NT calls have been very clear. It is as good as my old AT&T line. More important to me - every call made and received with NT has been very good (various times, local, long distance). I had a 50% fail rate on MJ incoming.

I have the NT connected to three phones, two corded and one cordless. They all ring and all dial out. In fact, one of the corded phones has a line powered key pad light. It lit up with MJ but is now brighter and easier to see with NT.

Randon Pro's:
1. Caller ID works better. With my MJ it took a couple of rings or would not appear until call was answered. With NT the caller ID appears on handset immediately.
2. Voice Mail is optional. You can turn it on or off through your account on the web site. To use my answering machine with MJ I had to set it at three rings (too short for me). With NT I can use 4 or 5 rings.
3. NT worked without changing my router settings.
4. I'll save $4 a month on my power bill by shuttting off the dedicated PC I used for MJ.

Con's:
1. None yet.

My setup:
The NT is connected directly to a Linksys WRT54GL with stock firmware and that to an old Westell DSL modem. Due to odd wiring in the house, the NT is in a different room than the router, connected with 50' of cat 5e. I suspected this unusual setup with the long network cable and three phones would be asking for trouble but it is working like a charm.

Now I need to run out and buy a lottery ticket before all this good luck runs out!
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Post by nailgunner »

johnlvs2run wrote: > plug a splitter into the phone jack in the Duo;
> plug your phone into one of the splitter plugs;
> run a phone line from the other splitter plug to the 2nd line outlet in the wall;
Unless you insist on having a phone plugged into the Duo, you shouldn't need the splitter. If it's like MJ, I just run the phone line from the device into the wall outlet, and keep the portable phone from the other room with me.
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Post by johnlvs2run »

nailgunner wrote:Unless you insist on having a phone plugged into the Duo, you shouldn't need the splitter. If it's like MJ, I just run the phone line from the device into the wall outlet, and keep the portable phone from the other room with me.
You need the splitter in the Duo to be able to use a cord phone with that particular outlet.

Otherwise, there is no need for the splitter.

If you don't want a phone plugged in, then don't plug in a phone.

I've never used a phone without a cord, never used a cordless phone, never used a cell phone, never used a microwave.
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Post by nailgunner »

johnlvs2run wrote:
You need the splitter in the Duo to be able to use a cord phone with that particular outlet.

Otherwise, there is no need for the splitter.

If you don't want a phone plugged in, then don't plug in a phone.
Ummm...gee I think that was my point Sparky. Unless you need a phone at the Duo, you don't need a splitter.
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Post by johnlvs2run »

Nugrl wrote:thanks for the quick response. if you would also post back your results on hooking the nt duo into the whole house, I would be interested in knowing how that works for you.
I plugged the splitter into the NetTalk Duo and the wall this morning,
called the other phone and the audio is clear, the same as it was calling Texas last night.

I am ready to cancel verizon right now!!!!!!!! woo hoooo

Now we need a NetTalk type of service for broadband! :D

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Does Nettalk work with 800 numbers? Or with calling cards (for overseas calls)?
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Post by gashliquor »

johnlvs2run wrote:
Nugrl wrote:thanks for the quick response. if you would also post back your results on hooking the nt duo into the whole house, I would be interested in knowing how that works for you.
I plugged the splitter into the NetTalk Duo and the wall this morning,
called the other phone and the audio is clear, the same as it was calling Texas last night.

I am ready to cancel verizon right now!!!!!!!! woo hoooo

Now we need a NetTalk type of service for broadband! :D

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Does Nettalk work with 800 numbers? Or with calling cards (for overseas calls)?



Now we need a NetTalk service for Broadband?...It sure is'nt working thru dialup, Please explain
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gashliquor wrote:
johnlvs2run wrote:
Nugrl wrote:thanks for the quick response. if you would also post back your results on hooking the nt duo into the whole house, I would be interested in knowing how that works for you.
I plugged the splitter into the NetTalk Duo and the wall this morning,
called the other phone and the audio is clear, the same as it was calling Texas last night.

I am ready to cancel verizon right now!!!!!!!! woo hoooo

Now we need a NetTalk type of service for broadband! :D

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Does Nettalk work with 800 numbers? Or with calling cards (for overseas calls)?



Now we need a NetTalk service for Broadband?...It sure is'nt working thru dialup, Please explain
ya, I also was wondering what he meant by that???
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Nugrl wrote:ya, I also was wondering what he meant by that???
A broadband price of $30 a year, vs $30+ every month.

A NetTalk type of price, vs the verizon phone company type of price.
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johnlvs2run wrote:
Nugrl wrote:ya, I also was wondering what he meant by that???
A broadband price of $30 a year, vs $30+ every month.

A NetTalk type of price, vs the verizon phone company type of price.



I see, All i care about is hacking the hell out of it and it will come and be private amoung a few, This will give the spies enough to dwell on :roll:
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Post by Nugrl »

gashliquor wrote:
johnlvs2run wrote:
Nugrl wrote:ya, I also was wondering what he meant by that???
A broadband price of $30 a year, vs $30+ every month.

A NetTalk type of price, vs the verizon phone company type of price.



I see, All i care about is hacking the hell out of it and it will come and be private amoung a few, This will give the spies enough to dwell on :roll:
:shock: Huh??? :shock:
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